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AntonH
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JaneC
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 Posted - 24/04/2015 : 15:32:37
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Is also gives her birthdate as 25 Feb 1853.
...so apparently she can be ruled out. Useful to know. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/04/2015 : 16:44:02
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I would not rule anything out at this stage.
There is a modest amount of information connecting the Marieane Larson leaving Norway in 1881 found by Jan Peter to the Maria Larsen born 15 June 1856 in Løten, Hedmark, Norway.
There is very little if any evidence connecting her to the Mari Ane Larsen who married Axel Lie 4 July 1882.
For example wrong birth date and year. Wrong father ie Lars Olsen not Lars Henriksen and wrong mother ie Berthe Hendriksdatter not Petra or Petronelle Olsen.
However I have had no luck finding any one born with the two parents listed in the New York marriage certificate. That lead me to wonder if the certificate names were somehow completely wrong and to try a new approach with the above results. |
Edited by - AntonH on 24/04/2015 21:39:19 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/04/2015 : 01:14:25
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Gathering a few more bits on Marie / Marianne might help.
There is a database at ancestry which covers the Axel Lie / Lee families. He was married at least twice, first to Marie Larsen and second to Christina Trimm / Tremm and had children with each wife. He lived in New York until about 1894 or so and then moved to Philadelphia.
In both the baptismal records of Axel's and Marie's daughters her name is rendered Marie f. (short for født) Larsen. The oldest child was named Anne Marie Louise born 2 Sept 1884, bapt.21 Sept 1884. Anne Marie's witnesses were: Marianne Rosenquist, Anton Erickson, Anders Lie, Mrs. Mathilda Rosenquist. Axel's name was rendered as Axel Lie.
The 2nd child's name is Lydia Augusta. She was born 13 Apr 1887 and bapt. 15 May 1887. Lydia's witnesses were: C.A. Hansen, Adolph Hansen, Mrs. Karen Hansen, Adolfine Hansen. Axel's named is rendered as Axel Lee.
Both of Axel's marriages were performed / recorded in and both baptisms were performed / recorded in Our Savior's Lutheran church in Brooklyn.
The database gave a death date of 1888 for Marie but I think this is in error. There is no funeral recorded in Our Savior's records between 1887-1892 for any Marie, Mary, Mari, Marianne, either Larsen or Lie/ Lee, or wife of Axel Lie/ Lee. There is one truncated entry for a person with the surname Lee with one date 31 May 1891 and a burial location of Greenwood cemetery. No first name is recorded nor any other dates nor spouse name.
The Italian Gen Group death database does have a death for a Marianne Lee, age 37, died Kings county, 29 May 1891, cert # 8890.
The online searchable database for Greenwood cemetery has a Marianne Lee buried on 31 May 1891, entry #19684, Section 13, grave 336. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/04/2015 : 01:35:01
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The database gave a death date of 1888 for Marie but I think this is in error.
You may have the right death date of 31 May 1891. It looks like Axel married his second wife shortly thereafter.
Axel Lee in the New York, New York, Marriage Index 1866-1937
Name: Axel Lee
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 2 Sep 1891
Marriage Place: Kings, New York, USA
Spouse: Christine Timm
Certificate Number: 3550 |
Edited by - AntonH on 25/04/2015 01:35:22 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/04/2015 : 01:37:55
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The Rosenquists were involved with this family, appearing as witnesses at the wedding and for one of the baptisms. They might be friends and possibly relatives.
Here they are in 1880, both parents born in Norway all the children born in New York:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZDQ-PPQ |
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/04/2015 : 01:55:43
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The Ancestry.com version adds a little about their birthplace taken from the original document. 1900 Census adds the ariival date of 1872.
Name: Marinas Rosenquist
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1847
Birthplace: Norway Christiatiana
Home in 1880: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Metilda Rosenquist
Father's Birthplace: Norway Christiatiana
Mother's Birthplace: Norway Christiatiana |
Edited by - AntonH on 25/04/2015 01:56:55 |
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jkmarler
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vivi
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/04/2015 : 03:11:49
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Probably the death record fro Lydia Augusta Lee, she gives the birth place of her mother as Denmark. She may be referring to her step-mother Christine Timm who may have been born in Denmark.
Lydia A Lehman in the Pennsylvania, Death Certificates, 1906-1963
Name: Lydia A Lehman
[Lydia A Lee]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Age: 26
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1887
Birth Place: New York
Death Date: 2 Aug 1913
Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Father Name: John Lee
Father Birth Place: Norwegian
Mother Birth Place: Denmark |
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AntonH
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/04/2015 : 17:51:54
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What do we know about Marie?
She was in U.S. by 4 July 1882.
Name: at marriage MariAnne Larsen
at baptisms of 2 children: Marie Larsen
at death (potential): Marianne Lee
Birthplace: at marriage (2 records): Hidemarken, Hedomorden
Birthdate: civil record of marriage age 29 (on July 4, 1882)
church record of marriage: 25 Feb 1853
at death (potential): age 37 (on 29 May 1891)
There are 30 something parishes in Hedmark, have all been searched for that birthdate?
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JaneC
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Posted - 25/04/2015 : 18:38:30
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MARIANNE LEE buried 31 Mary 1891 at Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn
Lot 19694
Section 13
Grave 356
Death record might have more information on her.
LINK: Green-Wood |
Edited by - JaneC on 25/04/2015 18:38:56 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 25/04/2015 : 19:23:25
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The region "Hedemarken" in Hedmark county consist of the municipalities Hamar, Løten, Ringsaker and Stange.
Thus; the search could be narrowed to the churchbooks of Romedal, Vang, Nes, Løten, Ringsaker and Stange. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/04/2015 : 00:14:41
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There are 30 something parishes in Hedmark, have all been searched for that birthdate?
The data base "All Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927" on Ancestry.com can be searched by birth date. Searching by 25 Feb 1853 for Hedmark brings up 15 names.That includes births from Vang, Nes, Løten, and Stang, No one is listed from Ringsaker, however other dates in Feburary 1853 do include Ringsaker, so Ringsaker is in the data base as well. I do not know how complete the data base is however.
View Record Name Birth Date Baptism Date Baptism Place Relatives
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Johanne Andersdotter
25 feb 1853 28 mar 1853 Vang og Furnes, Hedmark, Norway Anders,
Marthe
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Gunnerius Christophersen
25 feb 1853 12 jun 1853 Hedmark, Norway Christopher,
Anne Gurine
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Carl Halfdan Evensen
25 feb 1853 26 jun 1853 , Hamar, Hedmark, Norway Even,
Andrea Maria
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Lars Hanssen
25 feb 1853 10 apr 1853 Vinger, Hedmark, Norway Hans,
Maren
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Hans Jensson
25 feb 1853 3 apr 1853 Vang og Furnes, Hedmark, Norway Jens,
Oliv
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Johanne Magnusen
25 feb 1853 24 apr 1853 , Nes, Hedmark, Norway Magnus,
Maria
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Berthe Olsen
25 feb 1853 3 apr 1853 , Grue, Hedmark, Norway Ole,
Anne
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Marthea Gulbrandsen
21 feb 1853 25 mar 1853 Strom,Hedmark,Norway Gulbrand,
Maria
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Marte Jacobsen
20 feb 1853 25 mar 1853 Strom,Hedmark,Norway Jacob,
Karen
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Anne Gorine Johansen
12 feb 1853 25 mar 1853 Nord Odal,Hedmark,Norway John,
Kari
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Edevard Simensen
4 feb 1853 25 mar 1853 Hedmark, Norway Simen,
Kjersti
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Karen Kristoffersen
25 des 1853 (25 Dec 1853) 5 feb 1854 Nord Odal,Hedmark,Norway Christopher,
Kari
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Simen Hansen
25 jan 1853 6 feb 1853 Tynset, Hedmark, Norway Hans,
Ingri
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Halvor Martinusen
25 des 1853 (25 Dec 1853) 5 feb 1854 Stange, Hedmark, Norway Martinus,
Anne
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Andreas Nilsen
25 nov 1853 12 feb 1854 Loten,Hedmark,Norway Niels,
Oline
Here is what a record looks like, which might help sort out the compressed version above.
Name: Johanne Andersdotter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 25 feb 1853
Baptism Date: 28 mar 1853
Baptism Place: Vang og Furnes, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Anders Larsen
Mother: Marthe Larsdr |
Edited by - AntonH on 26/04/2015 00:16:05 |
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Help reading birthplace on this marriage record
