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NancyB
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 Posted - 11/05/2015 : 05:15:49
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Some of you put in a considerable amount of time helping in my search for Betsy Johnson (b. 28 Feb 1850 in Bergen, we think) in late 2013. (I can't believe it's been that long ago!) I would like to pursue a particular angle, but I'm not sure how to go about it.
Brief Summary:
G. L. [George Leonard] Johnson attended Betsy's funeral in Iowa. I suspect he is a relative. He is the son of Johan Bendik Johnson and Martha Olsdatter Wenos.
Johan Bendik Johnson (Buran/Buranval/Buranvold/Buranvald) was born 17 Nov 1850 at a farm near Levanger. This is the same year Betsy was born. We have ruled out Betsy being a sister, but I am wondering if they could be cousins. That means I need to identify and look at Johan’s grandparents.
Johan Bendik’s parents are John Olsen (Buranval) and Randi Jacobsdatter. How can I find John’s parents and all of their children? Unfortunately, I haven’t mastered searching in the archives. I seem to not get very far before I land on a page in Norwegian. When I click the English option, it takes me to a new starting page.
I have uncovered one bit of new information found in a letter written by my grandmother about the family history. She writes about Betsy, “[her] parents were married in Norway and two children were born to them in Norway – one son and a daughter, Betsy.”
Thank you for any help with navigating the archives.
Nancy
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/05/2015 : 08:15:40
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Johan Bendiks mother, Randi Jakobsdatter, was a widow at Buranvold in 1865.
His siblinghs were:
Ole Jonsen,
Dina Kristine Jonsdatter,
Olianna Johnsdatter and
Jonas Jonsen. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/05/2015 : 08:23:01
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Johan Bendiks father, John Olsen, died Oct 24 1864 43 1/2 years old, see #22.
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Edited by - eibache on 11/05/2015 08:32:36 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/05/2015 : 09:09:17
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John Olsen, Godøien and Randi Jacobsdatter, Lillebjørgen were married April 7 1847, see 2nd record.
John was 25 years old and his father was Ole Johnsen.
Randi was 27 years old and her father was Jacob Pedersen.
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Edited by - eibache on 11/05/2015 09:40:09 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/05/2015 : 09:21:29
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Joen Olsen was born out of wedlock Aug 26 1821, see #17.
His mother was Dorthe Johansdatter, Godøien.
His father was Ole Joensen, Rognes.
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eibache
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Posted - 11/05/2015 : 09:50:56
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Randi Jacobsdatter was born Oct 29 1818, see #22.
Her father was Jacob Pedersen, Lillebjørgen and her mother was Brønnild. |
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eibache
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Posted - 11/05/2015 : 10:03:32
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Widower Jacob Pedersen, Lillebjørgen and Brønnild Andersdatter, Foldstad were married Nov 24 1815. see last record in 1815.
Brønild Andersdatter (b. 1784) was a servant at Lien in 1801.
Jacob Pedersen (b. 1765) with his first wife in 1801.
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Edited by - eibache on 11/05/2015 10:04:49 |
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NancyB
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Posted - 11/05/2015 : 20:48:18
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Einar, this is wonderful! Thank you very much!
I entered this information into a new family tree in RootsMagic (my genealogy software) so I could picture it better. The one I am particularly interested in is Ole Joensen:
Joen Olsen was born out of wedlock Aug 26 1821, see #17.
His mother was Dorthe Johansdatter, Godøien.
His father was Ole Joensen, Rognes.
Ole Joensen is the grandfather of Johan Bendik. Is there an easy way to get a list of all of the children of Ole and Dorthe? Thanks to your help we know about John Olsen (b. 26 Aug 1821), but are there others? Those are the lines I would like to explore to find cousins of John Bendick.
Again, thank you!
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eibache
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Posted - 12/05/2015 : 10:50:38
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Is there an easy way to get a list of all of the children of Ole and Dorthe?
- I wish I knew.
It is not very likely that Ole and Dorthe had more children since Joen (John) was born out of wedlock and we don't know that they were married later.
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JaneC
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Posted - 12/05/2015 : 14:56:56
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| Nancy, help me see this... Johan Bendik Johnsen (JBJ) has four birth (genetic) grandparents, one of whom is Ole Joensen, Rognes. There could be more step-grandparents, especially given the circumstances of the birth of John Olsen (JBJ dad). The children of Ole Joensen, Rognes will be full siblings or half-siblings to JBJ's dad - BUT they will all be Olsen. Ole has to have a second son John if Ole proves to be the point of connection. Thus it is equally likely that any grandparent of JBJ will name a son John (and possibly Ole being the least likely, although sometimes a man does have two sons with same first name). So, one doesn't want to follow just Ole offspring, right? |
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NancyB
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Posted - 12/05/2015 : 15:17:23
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Originally posted by JaneC
Nancy, help me see this... Johan Bendik Johnsen (JBJ) has four birth (genetic) grandparents . . . So, one doesn't want to follow just Ole offspring, right?
Jane, thank you for helping me see this more clearly. You are right! I think I was focusing just on the paternal line, but was even short-sighted in that regard since there would be two grandfathers.
Thanks, Einar, too!
It would be great if I could get one of Johan Bendik's offspring to do DNA testing. Hmmmm . . . that just might be worth pursing.
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/05/2015 : 16:44:28
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You can search "All Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927" for people in various ways and it provides a way to find a birth date and thus find the person in Digitalarkivet easier. The data base may not be totally complete however which means some births may be missing. Searching the data base for Sør-Trondelag,, for mother Dorthe Johans* birth 1821 plus or minus 10 years, turns up only two records. One for Joen, which you already know and this one.
Name: Ole Olesen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 10 nov 1816
Baptism Place: Horg, Sor Trondelag, Norway
Father: Ole Arentsen
Mother: Dorthe Johansdr
FHL Film Number: 126769
Reference ID: 2:NBG1RW
This appears to be the baptism record, See number 8, however the child is named Johannes in this record.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16238&idx_id=16238&uid=ny&idx_side=-5
Unfortunately Ole Joensen is too common a name in Støren, Sør-Trondelag to sort out if the father of Joen married and had other chilldren through this search procedure. |
Edited by - AntonH on 12/05/2015 17:07:14 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/05/2015 : 16:48:49
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Here is the Ancestry.com record for Joen.
Name: Joen Olsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 26 aug 1821
Baptism Date: 9 sep 1821
Baptism Place: Støren, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway
Father: Ole Joensen
Mother: Dorthe Johansdatter
FHL Film Number: 126771
Reference ID: Bk8 p20 |
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NancyB
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Posted - 13/05/2015 : 16:03:45
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Originally posted by lyndal40
You can search "All Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927" for people in various ways and it provides a way to find a birth date and thus find the person in Digitalarkivet easier. . . . This appears to be the baptism record, See number 8, however the child is named Johannes in this record. . .
Thank you, Lyndal. I hope to eventually master the archives. Meanwhile, I appreciate those of you who help!
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/05/2015 : 16:34:13
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Working backwards I only find one child for Jacob and Bronnhild in Ancestry.com Norwegian Baptisms. . Randi who was already found by Einar.
Randi Jacobsdatter in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Randi Jacobsdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 29 okt 1818 (29 Oct 1818)
Baptism Date: 15 nov 1818
Baptism Place: Støren, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway
Father: Jacob Pedersen
Mother: Bronnild Lillebjorgen
FHL Film Number: 126771
Reference ID: Bk8 p10
Here is the marriage record for the parents from Ancestry.com
Jacob Pedersen in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Jacob Pedersen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 24 nov 1815
Marriage Place: Storen, Sor Trondelag, Norway
Spouse: Bronnild Andersdr
FHL Film Number: 126769
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/05/2015 : 16:48:19
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I stumbled upon this list called Surnames List of Sør-Trondelag. I have not had a chance to look at it in depth but it does contain some of the names from above, such as Lillebjørgen and Fodlstad. Might be a place where you can shorten your search for cousins of Betsy_
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~schwartz/SorTrondelag/surnames.htm |
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