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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 26/08/2015 : 12:26:46
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Hi again Vivi, consider that no evidence exists that something criminal happened to Jørgine. The family's "certainty" cannot serve as evidence about Jørgine's fate; they also are saying they don't know what happened. More precisely, they are suspicious, not certain.
A murder is the only crime that could permanently silence her. Yes, that could have happened. Although that crime is likely to be reported in the newspaper, she could be an unidentified victim. However, illness and accident are far more common causes of death, and there's no reason to rule them out. The family's concern about a wicked man is understandable, given Jørgine's disappearance, but he simply may not have written to them for whatever reason (or wrote but the letter did not reach them). Jørgine's family relationships and character that you've discussed are highly relevant. From that description, yes, certainly suggests something happened to her.
When an unmarried woman traveling in 1900 reached USA shores, she had to demonstrate to immigration authorities that she was provided for. A woman with no husband and currently not employed was deemed likely to become dependent on American charity and was denied entrance. The solution was for a male relative to come and claim responsibility for her. I don't know how to find a record of who picked her up (because likely someone did), or if such records have been preserved, but that question could be researched.
The rumors about Jørgine's fate included rumors of the white slave trade, which did not exist (at least I recall no mention of it in any of my reading in turn-of-the-last-century social history, and so far no one has brought forward any reference to such a thing). That's a clear example of the way we imagine all sorts of things, when we're in the dark and afraid.
Jumping prematurely to a conclusion can or might hurt the search. For example, let's say Jørgine died en route, at sea. Sometimes shipboard deaths are recorded somewhere in the manifest. That could be checked - but not if we're only seeking a crime in the U.S.
In short, keep an open mind. You don't know until you know. |
Edited by - JaneC on 26/08/2015 13:22:04 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/08/2015 : 13:15:46
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Well, if something criminal happened to Jorgine, it doesn't appear to have resulted in murder. But other criminal events could include fraud--promises made and not kept, deception of all sorts. Maybe it was as simple as she and Haakon met each other and had a mutual  bleh moment. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 26/08/2015 : 13:38:09
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They part, she dies suddenly of natural causes, no one who knows her is aware, family in Norway never hears. Just one possible scenario.
Remember the case of Jenny who married Peter Johnson and lived in Chicago? About 1886 she went missing (whereabouts unknown to family in Norway). In 1900 Peter murdered his 5-year-old son from a later marriage. I admit I suspected him in Jenny's disappearance... |
Edited by - JaneC on 26/08/2015 13:54:21 |
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vivi
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Posted - 26/08/2015 : 14:42:36
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I'm not a part of Jørgine's family. I'm only trying to help someone who is.
I'm trying to keep an open eye for every possibilities, but some seems more likely than others, at least in my mind.
According to his obituary, her father had many sad moments thinking about what might or might not have happened to his daughter Jørgine. She had uncles and aunts, brother and sister living in US or comming to US later - I would think they also looked for her as best they could with no result. My thought is that IF they found out, they would have told their brother/father no matter what - knowing how much it tormented him not to know.
A lot of bad things could have happend to her, but for some reason the family mention a wicked man. This leads me to the thought that they also had met him and disliked him a lot.
The fact that this "Hakon Weng" is so difficult to find both in Norway and New York strengthens this thought. If he just "lent" her his name as a key for Jørgine to enter US, he should be easy to find in the 1900 census held two/three monts earlier or on ships entering US?
Jørgine's father was 61 years old in 1900. He was a widower and several of his children had moved relativly far away from him (US and Oslo). I would think it would thake a lot for Jørgine not to write to him "as soon as" she arrived and settled in New York. But what?
I have browsed and read the papers I mentioned looking for accidents, deaths, unknown woman etc and not found anything I could connect to Jørgine. It is very possible that if she died for whatever reason, this Hakon didn't write to her parents or his letter was lost on it's way to Norway. But should not her death have been found registered somewhere?
It does sound weird if he planned to lure her to US in order to "sell her" to whatever. But he might have been a "bad paper" and ended up doing a crime to her without having that intention from the start. (Something like Jenny and Peter as JaneC mention)
Jørgine's family was poor cotters/farmers so no money to extort from them - as far as I know.
This seems to stay an unsolved family-mystery.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/08/2015 : 15:51:29
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| Have any of the numerous descendants of Jorgine's relatives in US been contacted? Perhaps her story is preserved in them? |
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vivi
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Posted - 26/08/2015 : 16:06:56
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As far as I understand it no-one in Jørgine's family ever heard from her again or about her, including those in US.
By 1900 there was possibilities to phone if she needed help or just wantet to say she arrived safely.
So her disappearance is mysterious. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 26/08/2015 : 17:26:31
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| It's too bad not to find her, for the sake of the family you're helping. About a death being registered - sometimes we don't find a death online, even though it was registered. Also, the U.S. had no law stating a death must be registered, and some deaths were not registered. |
Edited by - JaneC on 26/08/2015 20:24:42 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 01:38:46
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The only Hakon in New York City, in the 1900 US Census was this one. I think that his name is most likely Hakon Ericksen and not spelled as the transcriber as it listed. He lived at 344 Pleasant Avenue. That is not the address of 133rd Avenue listed in Jorgines manifest but it is in Manhatten and not a great distance from 133rd Street. His address on Pleasant Avenue is midway between 118th Street and 119th Street. He is living with his youg son Hjalmar. Being a widower with a small child it might logical that he would seek a partner.
Name: Hakau Erekson
[Nakan Erekson]
Age: 36
Birth Date: Nov 1863
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1885
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 01:46:13
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Interesting there were four Hakon Ericksen in the 1875 Census born 1864 or 1865.
One is Asker, Løkken
One in Næs Ginden
One in Christiania: Grønlandsleret
And Hakon Emil born in Christiania: Galgebjerggaden, who we have discussed quite a bit above.
Hakon Emil in the 1885 Norwegian Census.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01053257047558 |
Edited by - AntonH on 27/08/2015 16:55:16 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 01:46:32
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| Those were my thoughts about Haakon Erickson as well, Anton. If Jørgine's Haakon can be correctly identified, his situation in life may color speculation about Jørgine. |
Edited by - JaneC on 27/08/2015 01:52:40 |
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AntonH
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JaneC
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 04:37:11
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| On the passenger manifest Jørgine's last residence is listed as Christiania. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 06:34:17
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| The date of Jorgine's departure from Eiker is listed as 16 July 1900 and her destination is given as America, so Christiania was going to only be a temporary stay. |
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vivi
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 13:46:31
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Hi
If it is correct that Jørgine knew Hakon before she left, it is important to find out where she lived. She is not with her father in the 1891 census from Eiker,
The 1891 census from Oslo is not yet published, but she probably lived there.
Her sister Nicoline baptizes an illegitimate child in april 1893. Among the godparents there is a "sypige" Jørgine Andersdatter. This is most likely "our" Jørgine.
No 105 bottom half:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7196&idx_id=7196&uid=ny&idx_side=-301
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061002030498.jpg
According to the ships manifest her last residence in Norway was Christiania. She was "signed out" of her home-parish in june 1900 just before she left, but she might just have been home to get her certificates (- and say goodbye perhaps).
In the parish register it does say she is "ubundet" meaning she is not married and - the way I understand it - not engaged. Did she wish to keep her engagement a secret or was she engaged later?
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vivi
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What happened to Anna Jørgine b. 1875?
