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vivi
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 Posted - 21/08/2015 : 23:28:15
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Hi
Some interesting theories here  .
I was shown a photo of Jørgine. She looked beatiful and very feminine - I can't quite imagine her as a logger or something like that .
If Jørgine met this "wicked man" in Norway, then her family might also have met him. It would not have been the first time a young woman didn't listen to her family warning her or felt sorry for a man and wanting to help him or whatever.
The family even wrote in her father's obituary that he was a "wicked man" almost 18 years later so I am inclined to believe there is some sort of truth in it.
What his motif for luring her with him is impossible to know, of course. His intentions might have been good, but a few people end up doing bad things. Domestic violence might be one thing.
(I still think it is a bit strange there is no Hakon in this area only two/three months before Jørgine came.)
Jørgine already had family in US, so if she was able to, she might have had the possibility to seek help - insted of turning to prostitution to survive. And even if she was "living in shame" of some sort, knowing her father and siblings would worry, she could have sent a letter home to Norway telling everything was fine. Not likely the truth would have been revealed.
And if she was victim of an acciden of some sort, woulden't her family have been informed?
I have tried to look in old newspapers from New York, but haven't found anything.
Thank you for helping me find out what happened to her!
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vivi
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Posted - 21/08/2015 : 23:30:59
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JaneC: did you find a child with surname Strand on a New York orphanage?
It is the correct brother Hans found. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/08/2015 : 00:25:54
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Perhaps Anne Jorgine wasn't traveling alone? Here is an Ole A. Strand headed to Minnesota who left the same time as Anne Jorgine did:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000519273
The brother Hans was living with his uncle and his cousins in the 1900 census in Blue Earth county, Minnesota. The uncle has only an initial C. Strand in the census. Looking for C whatever Strand in Blue Earth county in 1880 finds a Chris Strand and an Ole Strand , brothers living the single life.
Here is the uncle Christian Nielsen Strand leaving Norway in 1870:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000407366
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/08/2015 : 01:03:45
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vivi
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Norway
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Posted - 22/08/2015 : 01:20:41
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The place Disan is unknown to me, but the name Disen is used several places.
There is Disen in:
- Nes (Akershus)
- Oslo
- Hamar
- Sør-Odal
- Modum
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/08/2015 : 01:39:42
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| Apparently Ellis Island has no actual image of the Teutonic 1900 Feb 23 manifest. There is an index copy which carries the name as Jakon Eriksen and all the other information as noted, his status as married and with this that his last location was "Disan" before departing Norway. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/08/2015 : 02:00:21
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Ancestry has the manifest. Word looks like Disau to me. But that does not give any thing in Google that makes sense. He is also listed as a Citizen.
Hakon Eriksen
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Hakon Eriksen
Arrival Date: 23 Feb 1900
Birth Date: abt 1865
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Teutonic |
Edited by - AntonH on 22/08/2015 02:02:24 |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/08/2015 : 02:33:54
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In the 1892 New York State Census, there is a Emil Erickson living with a Hjalmar Ericksen. They are both musicians. Hjalmar is 19 so could be a brother of Hakon
Emil Erickson
in the New York, State Census, 1892
Name: Emil Erickson
Birth Year: abt 1866
Birth Place: Norway
Age: 26
Gender: Male
Citizenship: Alien
Residence Place: Brooklyn, Kings
Ward: Ward 10
Election District: 19 |
Edited by - AntonH on 22/08/2015 02:48:07 |
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vivi
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Posted - 22/08/2015 : 02:34:03
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Hi
The two uncles Hans lived with was Olaus b. 1847 and Christen b. 1852.
I don't know who Ole A. Strand married to Mathilde was. They left Norway on the same date and ship as Jørgine as jkmarler found.
However they came to EllisIsland with the ship Saint Paul from Southampton while Jørgine came from Liverpool. So it doesn't look like they travelled together.
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/08/2015 : 17:50:30
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Looks like he is travelling with his faimily, Above him is listed Karine Eriksen age 48, below him are Karl age 11 and Julius age 6. Might not be the same as the family from Tonsberg.
Halman Eriksen
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Halman Eriksen
Arrival Date: 20 Jul 1889
Birth Date: abt 1872
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Christiania and Christiansand, Norway and Copenhagen, Denmark
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Island |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/08/2015 : 04:00:39
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| It appears unlikely that Jorgine Strand "went missing" because of her death. A murder would have been covered in the papers and there appears to be no death record for her--at least as Jorgine Strand--in the indexed New York municipal deaths. |
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vivi
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Posted - 26/08/2015 : 08:47:04
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Thank you for still looking!
The family-history seems to be very sure that something criminal happend to Jørgine. They knew her and they knew the familyrelationships. I would think they also knew that pride/shame could prevent someone to get in touch with other familymembers if in trouble. They must have considered this possibility too. If in any doubt I would think they would not have published it in their father's obituary.
Her brother came to US in 1903. Most likely he looked for Jørgine as best he could.
I have tried to look in two newspapers from New York: "The Brooklyn Daily Eagle" and "Brooklyn Life", but haven't found anything. (Very easy to get sidetracked in those old papers!)
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What happened to Anna Jørgine b. 1875?
