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stephenbrown
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 Posted - 12/10/2015 : 20:57:48
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gday all, i am trying to find information on my great grandfather details below:
name: John Brown (doesn't quite sound Norwegian)
Birth: 5th August 1885, Fredrikstadt, Norway
Landed in Australia: 1906 on the Barque Hermes in Rockhampton, Queensland from Bristol England
Naturalised: 14th September 1915
Enlisted WW1: September 1915
Died: 9th October 1917, Belgium
his children born in Australia: John Brown, Alfred John Brown (my father named after), Frederick Brown
on his enlistment papers he has put that he served 3 years in the Navy USA
all the above information is from his enlistment/naturalisation papers...
many thanks for any help, really appreciate it, oh we will be over to Norway/Sweden June 2016, it would be great to find where he lived and if any living relatives.... |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 12/10/2015 : 21:07:38
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Perhaps John, Johannes, Johan Brun.
Brun or Bruun, a common family-name in Norway and it means Brown
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jkmarler
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/10/2015 : 19:09:27
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I also looked into the same church books and included Fredrikshald (Halden).
There is no candidate born August 5. 1885 in these parish`s or sub parish`s
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Edited by - Kåarto on 13/10/2015 19:10:51 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/10/2015 : 19:11:14
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| Thanks Kåre. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/10/2015 : 21:08:57
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There were farms named Fredrikstad in the 1900 census in following Counties; Hedmark, Akershus and Østfold and 1065 persons with lastname Brun/Bruun.
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JaneC
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Posted - 13/10/2015 : 23:16:16
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I also looked into some of the neighboring parishes. Nothing to report.
Here's Ingvar Leonard Jensen with birthdate 05 August 1886, in 1910 with a wife and houseful of children:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01036335013924
Wasn't John also called Jack? Could he be Jacob rather than Johan (and the John variants). Wouldn't change the fact of not finding a candidate born in Fredrikstad and environs on the correct birth date.
Why did he not marry the mother of his several children? Maybe he had already been married. Or maybe the family is not Lutheran and did not register the birth. By age 14 for the 1900 census he could already be a cabin boy or the like, at sea. Just thinking out loud why someone can't be found, despite telling his birth date and birth place. Or maybe the "Fredrikstad farm" idea is in play.
We also didn't find him registering with the US Navy.
Is it certain he departed for Australia from Bristol, England - or could that be Bristol, Rhode Island, USA.
He is an enigma. |
Edited by - JaneC on 13/10/2015 23:31:11 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/10/2015 : 00:50:27
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| There is the possibility that his parents were dissenters.... |
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JaneC
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Posted - 14/10/2015 : 01:04:57
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| Yes, dissenters, a possihility. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/10/2015 : 01:20:50
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Per Kåre's observation that there a many fylke / parishes with farms named Fredrikstad. Farm names starting with fredrikst in which parishes in 1900:
Glemminge No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Kraakstad No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Aker
Gamle Aker Gustav Adolph Gustavson #10 b. 5 Aug 1885:
Source information: Oslo county, Gamle Aker, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1880-1887), Birth and baptism records 1885, page 167.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6225&idx_id=6225&uid=ny&idx_side=-173
No male births 5 Aug 1885 Vestre Aker
No male births 5 Aug 1885 østre Aker
Bærums 1 #44 Østre Bærum none in vestre Bærum:
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Østre Bærum i Asker, Ministerialbok nr. III 1 (1879-1892), Fødte og døpte 1885, side 43.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5507&idx_id=5507&uid=ny&idx_side=-46
vestre Bærum No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Nitedal No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Nannestad5 Aug 1886 #14 Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Bjørke i Nannestad, Ministerialbok nr. III 1 (1881-1892), Fødte og døpte 1886, side 19.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=532&idx_id=532&uid=ny&idx_side=-24
none in Holter nor Nannestad in Nannestad
Furnes #57 4 Aug 1885Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Furnes i Vang, Klokkerbok nr. 18 (1871-1903), Fødte og døpte 1885, side 54.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3558&idx_id=3558&uid=ny&idx_side=-56
Stange #18 4 Aug 1885:
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Tangen i Stange, Ministerialbok nr. 18 (1880-1896), Fødte og døpte 1885, side 28.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3569&idx_id=3569&uid=ny&idx_side=-32
none in Stange in Stange nor Ottestad in Stange
Nordre Odalen No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Søndre Odalen No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Lesja No male births on 5 Aug 1885 in Lesjaskog, Lesja in Lesja
Biri No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Vardal No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Østre Toten No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Vestre Toten No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Brandbu No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Søndre Lands #31 Johan (!) Kildeinformasjon: Oppland fylke, Fluberg i Søndre Land, Ministerialbok nr. 2 (1878-1894), Fødte og døpte 1885, side 27.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6125&idx_id=6125&uid=ny&idx_side=-33
HoleNo No male births on 5 Aug 1885male births on 5 Aug 1885
Hornes No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Fuse No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Ørsta No male births on 5 Aug 1885
Nordforden-kverr (Nordfold)No male births on 5 Aug 1885 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 11/11/2015 20:16:34 |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/10/2015 : 15:27:59
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#75 Nils b 5 Aug 1886 Ønsøy:
Source information: Østfold county, Onsøy in Onsøy, Parish register (official) nr. 5 (1878-1898), Birth and baptism records 1886, page 145.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5476&idx_id=5476&uid=ny&idx_side=-149
#78 Kristian 4 Aug 1885
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 17 (1878-1887), Birth and baptism records 1885, page 146.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5775&idx_id=5775&uid=ny&idx_side=-152
#91 Jens Anton 4 Aug 1885
Source information: Østfold county, Bysoknet in Moss, Parish register (official) nr. II 1 (1878-1886), Birth and baptism records 1885, page 132.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5741&idx_id=5741&uid=ny&idx_side=-136
#87 Ole German 5 Aug 1885 (died before baptism confirmed)
Source information: Østfold county, Bysoknet in Moss, Parish register (official) nr. II 1 (1878-1886), Birth and baptism records 1885, page 131.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5741&idx_id=5741&uid=ny&idx_side=-135
#24 Hans 6 Aug 1885
Source information: Østfold county, Degernes in Rakkestad, Parish register (official) nr. II 1 (1878-1899), Birth and baptism records 1885, page 32.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4763&idx_id=4763&uid=ny&idx_side=-35
#28 Karl August Martinius 6 Aug 1885
Source information: Østfold county, Idd, Parish register (official) nr. III 6A (1878-1903), Birth and baptism records 1885, page 67.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5466&idx_id=5466&uid=ny&idx_side=-72
#18 Hans Thorvald 6 Aug 1885
information: Østfold county, Hobøl in Hobøl, Parish register (official) nr. I 5 (1878-1904), Birth and baptism records 1885-1887, page 24.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4900&idx_id=4900&uid=ny&idx_side=-27
#57 Hans b 5 Aug 1885 (there is an additional note about his death)
Source information: Østfold county, Skjeberg, Parish register (official) nr. I 8 (1869-1885), Birth and baptism records 1885, page 64.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=439&idx_id=439&uid=ny&idx_side=-69
#113 Jens Emil 6 Aug 1885:
Source information: Østfold county, Halden, Parish register (official) nr. I 11 (1878-1889), Birth and baptism records 1885, page 112.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5463&idx_id=5463&uid=ny&idx_side=-117
#88 Fritz Malchias 5 Aug 1883
Source information: Østfold county, Vestre Fredrikstad, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1880-1900), Birth and baptism records 1883, page 44.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5755&idx_id=5755&uid=ny&idx_side=-48
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