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AntonH
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 Posted - 18/08/2016 : 22:16:01
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There are two different family trees on Geni.com for this family. The one managed by Bjørn P Brox has the son Rasmus Rasmusson born 1739 and married to Marta Knutsdatter Ytre Ladstein. The other Geni.com tree managed by Tørres Sande has the son born in 1748 and married to Ingeborg Knutsdatter Ladstein. The Tørres Sande seems to use a Bygdebok as a source. Ladstein i Finnøyg og æ bok 1 side 186 b.5.4. In order to sort this out and find out why the differences in the trees you will need to go to the Bygdebok or to the original sources on Digitalarkivet. The two are shown in the post from Einar on page 2.
Here is the Bjørn P. Brox Geni.com tree.
https://www.geni.com/people/Rasmus-Indre-Ladstein/6000000005049030292?through=6000000005049030302
Here is the Tørres Sandvin Gni.com tree.
https://www.geni.com/people/Rasmus-Ladstein/6000000005609278496?through=6000000005609278514
This is likely the Bygdebok that Tørres Sande references in the Geni.com tree. It is available at the University of North Dakota library. You can contact them and ask them to scan the page and mail it to you.
Bjørkvik, H. Finnøy: gard og ætt, v. 1 1993 DL576.F52 B58 Farms Southern part of Finnøy
Found here
http://library.und.edu/special-collections/bygdebok/place/78
You might also try and contact the two mangers through the Geni.com e-mail system and ask them to comment on the discrepancies. Click on the "Contact Profile Manger" box
Also go back and look carefully at the data that Einar has provided you from the original records from Digitalarkivet, I think the truth has to be found there.
In spite of the use of a source by Tørres Sande the data in the Bjørn P. Brox tree more closely matches the original data provided by Einar on page 2. |
Edited by - AntonH on 19/08/2016 15:47:24 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/08/2016 : 22:55:48
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Now a Rasmus Rasmussen did marry a Ingeborg Knutsdatter but not until 1771. ,
Here is the Ancestry.com record followed by the original record at Digitalarkivet.
Rasmus Rasmussen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Rasmus Rasmussen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 30 jun 1771
Marriage Place: Finnoy,Rogaland,Norway
Spouse: Ingebor Knutsdr
FHL Film Number: 126110
Origianl record for Digitalarkivet see second marriage record on the right hand page second group from the bottom. ie the group under Dom 5 p Trin.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070504640417
This is perhaps the child Anna reffered to in the Tørres Sandvin Geni.com tree. I was not able to find the Digitalarkivet record.
Anna Rasmusdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Anna Rasmusdatter
[Anna Rasmusen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 28 feb 1773
Baptism Place: Håland, Rogaland, Norway
Father: Rasmus Rasmusen
Mother: Ingeborg Knudsdr
FHL Film Number: 126141 |
Edited by - AntonH on 19/08/2016 15:46:36 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/08/2016 : 23:19:39
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As posted by Einar on page 2, Rasmus Rasmussen and Martha Knutsdatter had five children. Here are the two that I found on Ancestry.com.
Anna Rasmusen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Anna Rasmusen
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 13 apr 1762
Baptism Place: Finnoy,Rogaland,Norway
Father: Rasmus Rasmusen
Mother: Martha Knudsdr
And in Digitalakivet orignal rcord, see first entry left page.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070504640371
Knud Rasmusen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Knud Rasmusen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 25 jun 1769
Baptism Place: Finnoy,Rogaland,Norway
Father: Rasmus Rasmusen
Mother: Martha Knudsdr
For the origianal record in Digitalarkivet see first entry left hand page.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070504640403 |
Edited by - AntonH on 18/08/2016 23:37:53 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/08/2016 : 23:52:39
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I think the answer is clearly that there were two Rasmus Rasmussens. Here is the Rasmus Rasmussen who married Ingaborg Knudsdatter and had the child named Anna in the 1801 Census living in Håland. Thus it is likely that the Rasmus Rasmussen that you are interested in is found in the Bjørn P. Borx tree on Geni.com.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058355000872
This was already shown by Einar on page 2. Here is his post.
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The bygdebok for Ladstein says his wife Kirsti Ivarsdatter was 55 years old in 1758 (b. approx 1703) and died 1768 nearly 63 years old.
(Kirsti had earlier been married to Ivar Nilsen, Garå.) They had the following children:
Rasmus b. 1739, conf. 1756, married 1761 to Martha Knudsdatter,
Siri b. 1742
Lars b. 1744
Rasmus b. 1748, conf. 1766, married 1771 to Ingeborg Knudsdatter.
So both of the two Geni.com profiles are correct. The Bjørn P. Borx tree covers the first Rasmus Rasmussen born in 1739 and the Tørres Sande tree covers the second Rasmus Rasmussen born in 1748. |
Edited by - AntonH on 19/08/2016 02:38:47 |
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eibache
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Posted - 19/08/2016 : 10:52:29
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Rasmus Rasmussen, user of ytre Ladstein, married Marta Knudsdatter Aug 16 1761, see link.
They had the following children:
Anna (born 1762)
Berta (born 1764)
Rasmus (born 1765) baptized March 3, see link
Kirsti (born 1766)
Knud (born 1769)
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eibache
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Posted - 19/08/2016 : 11:18:37
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My g-grandfather was Tollak Gaard, son of Knud Rasmusson Gaard.
The bapt record for Tollak Knudsen, Gaard is #2.
Parents Knud Rasmussen and Gunvor Tollaksdatter.
Knud Rasmussen, Gard (28 years) and Gunvor Tollaksdatter, Fjøssem (20 years) were married Dec 28 1838 in Strand parish #1.
Knud Rasmussen was born on Finnesand, his father is here just called Rasmus Finnesand. Finnasand on Mosterøy, see map.
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Edited by - eibache on 19/08/2016 11:23:46 |
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Hopkins
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cdahl
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Posted - 19/08/2016 : 16:14:48
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I get it (I think!)! Apparently Rasmus Rasmusson and Kirsti Ivarsdotter named the oldest and the youngest of their sons Rasmus! I know this happened but it sure makes for confusion for people like me. Thank you all for helping me get this family in perspective! I do plan to contact the "Profile Managers" of the 2 families.
Einar - I missed your listing of 2 Rasmus's. I apologize to you. Thank you! |
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Gaard family from Talgje, Finnoy, Rogaland, Norway
