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jkmarler
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 Posted - 26/10/2016 : 16:03:32
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Lars Andreas Juliussen 1839 Kragerø Sagfører Ugift Krambodgade 4 04.03.1882 avdød Ministerialbok for Trondheim prestegjeld, Domkirken sokn 1877-1891 (1601M2)
Lars Andreas Juliussen 1838 Skaadø Annex i Sandøkedal
Logerende ug Sagfører Kragerø: Hovedbyen 31.12.1875
Folketelling 1875 for 0801P Kragerø prestegjeld
This is birth /baptism of Lars Andreas Juliussen. His parents are Julius Anderson and Berthe Witlesdatter:
SAKO, Sannidal kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. 6, 1831-1847, p. 82
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051006010484
Lars also dies in Trondhjem.
Julius Anderson and Birte do have an Andreas Juliusen b abt 1844 who is a sailor , here in 1865 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038134004848
And it looks like Andreas Juliusen made every Norwegian census, married in Norway and his birth date is 25 July 1843:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01036510002043 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 27/10/2016 02:06:53 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/10/2016 : 07:56:33
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Olaves Jens Juliussen 05.01.1838 Enerhougen 1853 innflyttar
Ministerialbok for Jevnaker prestegjeld 1837-1857 (0532P)
Here is a link to the actual parish register of Olaves moving in to Jevnaker #8 left page:
SAH, Jevnaker prestekontor, Parish register (official) no. 6, 1837-1857, p. 297
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070205640104
The column dealing with who he came with or for I think says "Opfostering" and also a year 1857, so perhaps he's being "farmed out" as it were until 1857? Perhaps someone else could check this entry.
Here is Olavus Jens Julius (not a patronymic but another middle name), #127. His father is Svend Olsen and mother Elisabet Halvorsdtr, so of no further interest here.
SAO, Aker prestekontor kirkebøker, F/L0016: Parish register (official) no. 16, 1827-1841, p. 37
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20061109020032
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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jwiborg
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Posted - 27/10/2016 : 18:49:06
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Watchmaker master / Goldsmith master Frederik Julius Brinck (27) and misses Andrea Antonette Pauline Sophie Müller (34) married on 23 Dec 1835 in Oslo Domkirke / Vår Frelsers menighet.
She is born in Rendsborg, Denmark. (Today Rendsburg, Germany).
Fredrik was one of the leading jewelers in Christiania in the 1850s, and died in 1857.
This looks like a very distinguished family. The father is a Goldsmith, a Citizen of Christiania and he has already a familyname. Such familynames would be kept for future generations. Thus; a son named Anders would most likely use "Andrew Brinck" in America. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/10/2016 : 00:55:41
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You are probably right but consider the word "Jewel" in English is what is used in the manufacture of fine jewelry by people like goldsmiths etc..
What about the entry on young Olaves above? never mind. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 28/10/2016 07:44:41 |
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kevinjewell
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Posted - 24/02/2017 : 18:13:03
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Thank you all so much for the responses thus far, and all of the research you did. I would have responded sooner, but I lost the url for this site and only rediscovered it recently. I will check it more often in the future.
I have done DNA testing, and have turned up matches in both Norway and Sweden, and my Y-DNA result (R1a) shows matches mostly in the Dalarna region of Sweden, but also some in Norway across the border from there, so my great-grandfather mightl have been born in Norway, but have his ultimate paternal line originating in Sweden. My great-grandmother, on the other hand, may have been entirely Norwegian, because my autosomal DNA shows many matches in Norway, as well as Sweden, and even some in Finland (presumably from Swedes who moved there).
I will check out all of the records you noted. I had already located the US census records and his citizenship papers, as well as his obituary. I think the one census reference to "Prussia" was a mistake, possibly because some neighbors were from there. The references to being born in Ireland are definitely mistakes, probably because of his marriage into an Irish family in New York (as someone noted). My great-grandfather had a number of children, including two daughters who never married and lived at home, and from other evidence I have, I suspect that they gave incorrect information about the family to census takers at times (their own ages kept getting younger as they grew older!).
One person asked if I knew of siblings or cousins of my great-grandfather in the US. I do not, although I know of all of his descendants. In one census record in New York, there was an Ole Juelsen living very close to him, and that Ole Juelsen has had much written about him, because he became a Lutheran pastor and worked with the Norwegian community in Brooklyn, and also somewhere in the Midwest, but thus far I have found no connection between them, other than living near one another in that census record.
Since my Andrew Jewell arrived at the age of 16, and lived in a partly Irish neighborhood where he married a Catholic, he may not have had much contact with other Scandinavians there. There is a history book about the Norwegian community in Manhattan and Brooklyn, which I have read, but the people mentioned (many of them sailors) mostly came later on, and their lives centered around the Lutheran church (Ole Juelsen is mentioned extensively in that book).
Interestingly, if one looks at the mid-19th-century US census records for the area, there are a number off Scandinavian men married to Irish women, presumably sailors who stayed in NYC and found mostly Irish women to marry (most complete Scandinavian families went on the the Midwest, where their descendants are numerous still today).
Thank you again for your help, and for any more info anyone may happen to find. |
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kevinjewell
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Posted - 24/02/2017 : 18:52:04
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Looking at the discussion off the Brinck family above, I noticed that their daughter was baptized with both the Brinck surname and also the patronymic Juelsdatter. If they did happen to have a son named Andreas, then he might have been baptized as Andreas Brinck Juelsen, and when he came to the US, the authorities might have assumed that Brinck was his middle name, so he could have become Andrew Jewels, which was the first form of the name which he used in the US (one numerous branch of my family here in the US, descended from his oldest son, Michael, still has the surname Jewels).
I guess that I need to contact the Domkirke to see whether this couple did have a son named Andreas in the 1830's. I understand that it was also customary in Lutheran churches to record when people left the parish, so perhaps that might have been done for Andreas (if there was a son named Andreas).
It's also interesting that the mother was named Andrea Antonette, Would it have been at all customary to name a male child (perhaps a younger child) after his mother?
Also, since the father was a jeweler, the family was presumably not poor, but would there have been any general economic issues at the time in Oslo which might have resulted in a son being sent to sea, even if the family were not traditionally fishermen or seamen?
A final question, in case anyone knows, but are there ship's records from that time in Norway which might record who sailed on a merchant ship (if his ship went to New York, I suppose that it was a merchant ship)?
Thanks again for any help!
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/02/2017 : 02:01:43
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| What was the original source for the names of Andrew's parents, Julius and Antonette? |
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kevinjewell
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Posted - 25/02/2017 : 21:06:25
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| They were named on his death certificate in the US, without any surnames. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/02/2017 : 02:57:41
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From the Norske Luthereske Prester i Amerika pg 110:
Ole Juul, the pastor, was born 10 Sept 1838 Vestre Slidre, Valdres to Juul Olsen and Betsy. He came to US in 1848, was pastor in New York 1866-1876, also those years was sailor's and indremission pastor. He married Gustava Maria Grude in 1866 and died 11 Nov 1903. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/02/2017 : 03:23:57
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Another candidate leaving out the birth year as important.
Name: Andreas Reinhart Julsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 aug 1829
Baptism Date: 4 okt 1829 (4 Oct 1829)
Baptism Place: Bragernes Drammen,Buskerud,Norway
Father: Juul Nilsen
Mother: Ingeborg Johnsdr
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051125010496
They had two other children Maria Amalie b 1836 and Edvard b 1838 |
Edited by - AntonH on 26/02/2017 18:18:50 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/02/2017 : 04:26:38
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Ole Juel was born Sept 7, 1838, father Juel Olsen Gulhaug ? mother Berit Evensdatter number 58
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070603980574
A tree shows them with at least eight children none named Anders or Andreas |
Edited by - AntonH on 26/02/2017 04:40:38 |
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jkmarler
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kevinjewell
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Posted - 26/02/2017 : 19:55:42
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Thanks for checking on Ole Juel/Juul (I misstated his name in my other message). It does seem unlikely that he was related to my great-grandfather.
I have been learning a bit of Norwegian, especially terms used in genealogical research, by looking them up and combining my English and German vocabulary (I have a masters degree in German), so I was able to follow the discussion of the Brinck family in the Arkivverkert online forum a bit, but there doesn't seem to be anything there which helps to establish a connection with my Andreas Juelsen. Oh, well, I will keep trying.
Thanks again for al your help. |
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Help concerning Anders Juelsson/Juell
