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cmannila
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 Posted - 24/10/2018 : 21:32:54
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I'm looking for emigration/immigration information for Andrine Johansdatter born to Johan Olsen and Maren Eriksdatter in Baerum in 1869. The last Norwegian record I see for this family is in 1875 Asker census listing them as residents at Vold Ovre. Also listed in this census is a brother Kristen.
The first record I see in the US for her is when she married my great grandfather in Ramsey County, MN and she has the name Andrine Wold. The 1900 US census lists the year she immigrated as 1887 when she would have been 18 years of age.
I have yet to find any documents confirming her departure from Norway or arrival in the US and I'm curious if she came alone or traveled with any of her family members.
Can anyone help me locate these records? |
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vivi
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vivi
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/10/2018 : 23:45:37
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| You are right, they travelled together to Chicago on ship Angelo |
Edited by - Kåarto on 24/10/2018 23:50:57 |
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cmannila
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Posted - 24/10/2018 : 23:49:23
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That could be her in the Oslo census. I have no information on her in Norway beyond the 1875 census, but I think she was older than 15 when she left Norway. Again, I have no confirmation of the year she arrived in the US other than what is on the US census records.
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Edited by - cmannila on 24/10/2018 23:51:32 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/10/2018 : 23:59:46
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| The original emigration record was handwritten and the database has been transcribed from that. Perhaps the handwritten age was difficult to decipher. |
Edited by - Hopkins on 25/10/2018 00:47:34 |
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cmannila
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Posted - 25/10/2018 : 00:06:34
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| Thank you Vivi and Kaarto for your input! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/10/2018 : 00:27:55
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| Another possibility is that the census taker dittoed the year of the arrival of her husband. |
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cmannila
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Posted - 25/10/2018 : 01:34:40
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I can't open those records in Family Search but those are my great grandparents. I image that the J does stand for Johansdatter. When I look at the census records for 1900 I see Carl arriving in 1883 and Andrine in 1887 (see number of years in US to confirm those dates) but it is possible that her year of immigration is not correct.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I don't know about Ramsey county but MOMS has one in Norman County, Minnesota:
NORMAN 003-116 08/21/1892 GILBERTSON, CARL M WOLD, ANDRINE J
And the J middle initial could stand for Johansdatter....
And still in Norman county, Minnesota in 1895:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ6M-2LK
And still in Norman county, Minnesota in 1900 with birth date of May 1869 and udvandring date of 1889.....
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M937-66W
This one ends her days in St. Louis county, Minnesota:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V47Q-7YY
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Edited by - cmannila on 25/10/2018 01:35:58 |
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cmannila
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Posted - 25/10/2018 : 01:36:43
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Certainly a possibility! quote:
Originally posted by Hopkins
The original emigration record was handwritten and the database has been transcribed from that. Perhaps the handwritten age was difficult to decipher.
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jkmarler
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/10/2018 : 02:50:57
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It wasn't and isn't uncommon for memory to be 'off' about some events in a life. Ask me when I bought this house... I'll hem and haw and guess. What year did I move to this state -- well, I can probably guess pretty closely. Some of us don't have great date memory. My birth year - got it no problem. My daughter's -- got it no problem. My younger brothers -- I need a minute or two to get that right.
Also we don't know WHO was answering the questions the census taker was asking that day. How sure were they? Just a best guess - perhaps. There's no penalty for wrong answers on a census. We see wrong information on censuses and other semi-official documents all the time.
I have a county death registration for my own great-grandmother which lists parents for her. Two names that are entirely wrong. But it took me a long time and careful research back to her birth and emigration from Norway to be absolutely sure. Who gave the information for the death registration to the county? -- her son-in-law and he did the best he could -- but he was wrong. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/10/2018 : 09:23:45
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quote:
Originally posted by cmannila
I can't open those records in Family Search but those are my great grandparents. I image that the J does stand for Johansdatter. When I look at the census records for 1900 I see Carl arriving in 1883 and Andrine in 1887 (see number of years in US to confirm those dates) but it is possible that her year of immigration is not correct.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I don't know about Ramsey county but MOMS has one in Norman County, Minnesota:
NORMAN 003-116 08/21/1892 GILBERTSON, CARL M WOLD, ANDRINE J
And the J middle initial could stand for Johansdatter....
And still in Norman county, Minnesota in 1895:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ6M-2LK
And still in Norman county, Minnesota in 1900 with birth date of May 1869 and udvandring date of 1889.....
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M937-66W
This one ends her days in St. Louis county, Minnesota:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V47Q-7YY
Familysearch is a FREE to use site but you must register and be signed in to view.
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peder
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Posted - 25/10/2018 : 10:16:20
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from ancestry
Birth
Andrine Johnsdte Wold was born in May 1869 in Norway.
May 1869 • Norway
MAR
1892
AGE 22
Birth of Son
Her son Gilbert was born in March 1892 in Minnesota.
Gilbert Gilbertson
1892–1955
Mar 1892 • Minnesota
1892
AGE 23
Marriage
Andrine Johnsdte Wold married Carl Martin Gulbrandsen (Gilbertson) in Polk, Minnesota, in 1892 when she was 23 years old.
Carl Martin Gulbrandsen (Gilbertson)
1865–1940
1892 • Polk, Minnesota
OCT
1894
AGE 25
Birth of Daughter
Her daughter Clara J was born in October 1894 in Minnesota.
Clara J Gilbertson
1894–
Oct 1894 • Minnesota
MAR
1897
AGE 27
Birth of Son
Her son Carl A was born in March 1897 in Minnesota.
Carl A Gilbertson
1897–
Mar 1897 • Minnesota
15 APR
1899
AGE 29
Birth of Daughter
Her daughter Mabel Christine was born on April 15, 1899, in Duell, South Dakota.
Mabel Christine Gilbertson
1899–1959
April 15, 1899 • Duell, Perkins, South Dakota, USA
ABT
1903
AGE 34
Birth of Daughter
Her daughter Georgina was born in 1903 in Minnesota.
Georgina Gilbertson
1903–1994
abt 1903 • Minnesota
ABT
1906
AGE 37
Birth of Son
Her son Herbert was born in 1906 in North Dakota.
Herbert Gilbertson
1906–
abt 1906 • North Dakota
ABT
1908
AGE 39
Birth of Son
Her son Wallace O was born in 1908 in North Dakota.
Wallace O Gilbertson
1908–
abt 1908 • North Dakota
ABT
1909
AGE 40
Birth of Daughter
Her daughter Stella L was born in 1909 in North Dakota.
Stella L Gilbertson
1909–
abt 1909 • North Dakota
15 JUL
1910
AGE 41
Birth of Son
Her son James A was born on July 15, 1910, in North Dakota.
James A Gilbertson
1910–1998
15 JUL 1910 • North Dakota
15 NOV
1912
AGE 43
Birth of Son
Her son Eugene G was born on November 15, 1912, in North Dakota.
Eugene G Gilbertson
1912–1977
15 Nov 1912 • North Dakota
3 AUG
1940
AGE 71
Death of Husband
Her husband Carl Martin passed away on August 3, 1940, in Minnesota at the age of 75. They had been married 48 years.
Carl Martin Gulbrandsen (Gilbertson)
1865–1940
3 Aug 1940 • Minnesota, USA
16 OCT
1941
AGE 72
Death
Andrine Johnsdte Wold died on October 16, 1941, in Minnesota when she was 72 years old.
16 Oct 1941 • Minnesota, USA |
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cmannila
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Posted - 25/10/2018 : 14:58:50
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Thanks for the information. I do have all the census records, her death record, etc. I just can't find that darn immigration record to complete her history. It would also be a huge bonus to find families in Norway like I have with other Norwegian lines of my family. That one census record from 1875 and the possible placing of her in Oslo I 1880 are all I see on her in Norway. Jmarker, is Andrine your ancestor as well? Are we related?
It turns out I did have a registration at the heritage site. I just need to reset my password.
Again, thanks for all the information. |
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emigration/immigration for Andrine Johansdatter
