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dylankylesimon
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 Posted - 06/05/2023 : 18:50:26
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Thanks for those additional tips!
As for Saturday News, the Newspaper in Watertown/Codington County, the only newspaper I am tracking from that time, apparently did not start until June 22, 1902.
As for divorce records, where would I look for them? Divorce probably occurred between 1900 and 1905. |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 06/05/2023 18:57:22 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/05/2023 : 03:27:56
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/05/2023 : 04:59:17
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Have you searched for land records for Peter? There appears to be homestead records for a Peter E Simon in Codington county, SD from 1888.
Might be of interest to see when the property was sold....
"Agricultural College Scrip
Lincoln signed the Morrill Act on July 2, 1862, giving each state a minimum of 90,000 acres of land to sell, to establish colleges of engineering, agriculture, and military science. To support the agricultural colleges, these certificates were sold and allowed a person to purchase 160 acres at $1.25 per acre. There was a limit of three sections, or 1,920 acres in each township."
https://www.history.nd.gov/lincoln/land8.html |
Edited by - jkmarler on 07/05/2023 05:04:40 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 07/05/2023 : 16:43:27
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Yeah, I found four different entries that correspond to the same record of a Peter E Simon in Watertown issued 23 Aug 1888, which could be a match, but given that there is only a name, it would be an assumption.
https://ibb.co/MpZSdwP
Nonetheless, this is also after their 1 May 1885 appearance in the U.S. Census in Winona, Winona, Minnesota, USA with Mattie and Edmund, so in my opinion the record has no value, really. What do you think?
Another four records that correspond to the same record, was one of a Martha F Poulson in the neighboring county of Watertown, in Spink County issued on 14 Feb 1884. This could be Mattie, given that Edmund was more likely born in Aug 1884 than the claimed Aug 1883.
This property was issued to Edwin O Peterson, on 17 November 1884. But, Vern, her nephew, also later lived in Spink County in 1930 and died in Watertown in 1969.
https://ibb.co/SRw61nS
If this is Mattie, and I know it could very well be, then yes perhaps the two just got married by common law like you suggested. However, even if this is not Mattie, then they still probably got married by common law.
I just thought that these records didn't really alter or support our existing timeline.
What is interesting is that Clair Floyd Poulson, another nephew of Mattie, was born in 1890 and his birth is in the Birth Index for South Dakota, but my 2nd great-grandfather's from 1883/1884 isn't. The index however lists from 1856-1917. I assume they were filed later, and that's why his one is not in it, or the writing was butchered. Perhaps, he was never born in South Dakota in the first place, who know's. |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 07/05/2023 17:25:10 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/05/2023 : 17:51:37
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The Handybook for Spink county says that marriage records begin in 1887 but birth and death records begin in 1905. There are some births in the 100 year old birth records database of South Dakota from Spink county in the 1880s but they are mostly "delayed" in that they were issued long after the event dates. There was a big push to get a birth certificate after the advent of Social Security, to formalize your records.
Martha F Poulson bought her land outright. How Edwin Peterson plays in with that I haven't a clue. When did Martha sell the property?
Clair Poulson's birth is recorded in Hamlin county, not Spink, nor Codington. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/05/2023 : 17:56:43
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon
so in my opinion the record has no value, really. What do you think?
Money and land are HUGE motivators for both Americans and Europeans, that is one of their values.
Handybook says that Grant county Minnesota divorce & civil court records begin in 1883.... |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 07/05/2023 : 18:07:47
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I am not sure when it was sold, but if the property was re-issued to Edwin, then it was probably sold to him on 17 November 1884.
Yeah, I know that Clair wasn't born in Watertown, but perhaps neither was Edmund, but given that there were other birth records of people in 1883/1884, there could potentially be one for Edmund, unless in the event like we said that they were filed at a later point.
As for the marriage, common law is probably what happened or it was never documented. Given that Mattie's name on the Naturalization Record is still Mathea F. Poulsen on 14 Feb 1882, perhaps 1883 was Mattie and Peter met, maybe late 1883 when they conceived Edmund.
I sent the District Court Office of Grant County an email for the divorce record. Let's see if I get an answer in regards to that. |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 07/05/2023 18:27:10 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 16/11/2023 : 03:24:08
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This might be Berte Olsdatter?
One record shows the Farm Ovreeie and the other Aure Eie, similar to the variants of the farms of her father Ole Evensen. Age seems to match, but there seem to be some issues with the first record, not actually reflecting the names of Ole Olsen and Berte Olsdatter's parents. The second record seems to get the parents corrected, but is leaves out Berte's father's last name. It also copied the wrong age. Thoughts?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:683L-9ZVF
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000009142718
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6832-V25H
Maybe death of the husband, if its her husband:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000008373307 br /
Maybe a child? But in this record its Ole Andersen Semmen Eie and Berte Olsdatter Semmen Eie
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000036423100
Probably all a dead end...
Thoughts on this death? Blixerudeie, same farm as her brother. Not 100% sure what the Age reads, but if it's 18, then probably not... Second record says 18, but I don't know what it says after the 18.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000008373145
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6832-DQKH
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Because you didn't have her name until later. Searches evolve.
True!
I still have two people with no lead as to what happened to them.
My 4th great-granduncle Torsten Olsen Blixrudeie
My 4th great-grandaunt Berte Olsdatter Tranbye (There have been some people claiming a death date of 1867, but no source.)
In 1801 their Father Ole Evensen on Øvern (Aure in the Map below)
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/58270/44
#4 From the Bottom Left Page
Torsten Olsen on Blixrudeie in 9 Oct 1808 (Bliksrud)
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000013962625
#4 From the Top Left Page
Confirmeret: 15 Sep 1811 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000013963887
Up until now, I had assumed it was her Baptism, but it's her confirmation correct? So there must be a baptism before?
I tried finding one, but the baptism entries from 1801 to 1811 are really rough..
And then Baptism of other children on Tranbye in 1819 and 1822
In 1865 - Her brother and Father were on Nymoen under Tranby og Havig
These two could be it, but I don't think we can confirm:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000008799531
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000009142718 |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 16/11/2023 04:20:19 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/11/2023 : 06:54:22
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This might be Berte Olsdatter?
One record shows the Farm Ovreeie and the other Aure Eie, similar to the variants of the farms of her father Ole Evensen. Age seems to match, but there seem to be some issues with the first record, not actually reflecting the names of Ole Olsen and Berte Olsdatter's parents. The second record seems to get the parents corrected, but is leaves out Berte's father's last name. It also copied the wrong age. Thoughts?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:683L-9ZVF
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000009142718
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6832-V25H
Maybe death of the husband, if its her husband:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000008373307 br /
Maybe a child? But in this record its Ole Andersen Semmen Eie and Berte Olsdatter Semmen Eie
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000036423100
Probably all a dead end...
Thoughts on this death? Blixerudeie, same farm as her brother. Not 100% sure what the Age reads, but if it's 18, then probably not... Second record says 18, but I don't know what it says after the 18. It says uger meaning weeks can't be the ones born in 1811 etc.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000008373145
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6832-DQKH
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Because you didn't have her name until later. Searches evolve.
True!
I still have two people with no lead as to what happened to them.
My 4th great-granduncle Torsten Olsen Blixrudeie
My 4th great-grandaunt Berte Olsdatter Tranbye (There have been some people claiming a death date of 1867, but no source.)
In 1801 their Father Ole Evensen on Øvern (Aure in the Map below)
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/58270/44
#4 From the Bottom Left Page
Torsten Olsen on Blixrudeie in 9 Oct 1808 (Bliksrud)
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000013962625
#4 From the Top Left Page
Confirmeret: 15 Sep 1811 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000013963887
This is a baptism not a confirmation so likely born in 1811 better match to marriage of Ole Olson and Berte Olsdtr .
Up until now, I had assumed it was her Baptism, but it's her confirmation correct? So there must be a baptism before?
I tried finding one, but the baptism entries from 1801 to 1811 are really rough..
And then Baptism of other children on Tranbye in 1819 and 1822
In 1865 - Her brother and Father were on Nymoen under Tranby og Havig
These two could be it, but I don't think we can confirm:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000008799531 This marriage is between two people born in Nes Hallingdal. Not likely to be correct for you.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000009142718
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 16/11/2023 04:20:19 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 17/11/2023 07:08:07 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 17/11/2023 : 13:57:26
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Hey!
Tracking that is a Baptism! Those were old information from our previous research, that I quoted to make sure there is no repeated work. But it's probably crazy of me to assume that you would remember our work in all of this from 2019. I will open up a separate topic.
Best Regards
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jkmarler
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Posted - 24/11/2023 : 10:10:55
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I'm not positive this brief entry has surfaced but maybe, before in your Evensen topics but at the last entry is for Ole Evensen Nymoen:
Lunder lensmannskontor, SAKO/A-619/H/Ha/L0001: Dødsanmeldelsesprotokoll, 1863-1922, p. 14-15
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10081301045011
It names Even, Peder, Bertte and Kari as children surviving.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 26/11/2023 : 02:40:18
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I'm not positive this brief entry has surfaced but maybe, before in your Evensen topics but at the last entry is for Ole Evensen Nymoen:
Lunder lensmannskontor, SAKO/A-619/H/Ha/L0001: Dødsanmeldelsesprotokoll, 1863-1922, p. 14-15
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10081301045011
It names Even, Peder, Bertte and Kari as children surviving.
I have never seen this entry, great find! I know that others have found this entry before. Why? Because that's likely why they picked 1867 as a death date for Berte. Would you mind transcribing the entire entry for me?
Enkemandsue [Enkemann] Selveier Ole Evensen Nymoen, 88 Aar gammel. Folgende Barn Even, Peder, Berthe g Kari Peder har forevift Vedunsedal af 13 October 1860, baarund den afdødes har overdra get hand Pladsen Nymoen og alt set darund, mad nostenstig Underteldung |
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Peter E Simon (1870 Immigration to the US)
