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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 18/02/2023 :  16:42:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon

It was but you know, you have trained me, so I am getting better at it. I just wish their handwriting was slightly better. I also didn't find another Herman, so this must be him, I guess...

I also can't find the probate of her



Ringerike og Hallingdal sorenskriveri, SAKO/A-81/H/Ha/L0023: Skifteprotokoll, 1804-1808, p. 57b-58a
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090127360060

Starts at the very bottom of the right hand page 58a

Actually, I don't believe that this is your Anne. I think this is her death 15 Dec 1811, right side:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0006: Ministerialbok nr. 6, 1789-1811, s. 211
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660452




Oh yes, the right side is definitely her! Again, great find and knowing how long it takes me, I really appreciate!

I don't know how I missed that, because that is the death record to her granddaughter Marte as well, which I definitely have!

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 18/02/2023 16:42:54
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/02/2023 :  19:40:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Because you didn't have her name until later. Searches evolve.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 18/02/2023 :  20:01:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by jkmarler

Because you didn't have her name until later. Searches evolve.



True!

I still have two people with no lead as to what happened to them.

My 4th great-granduncle Torsten Olsen Blixrudeie
My 4th great-grandaunt Berte Olsdatter Tranbye (There have been some people claiming a death date of 1867, but no source.)

In 1801 their Father Ole Evensen on Øvern (Aure in the Map below)
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/58270/44

#4 From the Bottom Left Page
Torsten Olsen on Blixrudeie in 9 Oct 1808 (Bliksrud)
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000013962625

#4 From the Top Left Page
Confirmeret: 15 Sep 1811 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000013963887

Up until now, I had assumed it was her Baptism, but it's her confirmation correct? So there must be a baptism before?

I tried finding one, but the baptism entries from 1801 to 1811 are really rough..

And then Baptism of other children on Tranbye in 1819 and 1822
In 1865 - Her brother and Father were on Nymoen under Tranby og Havig



These two could be it, but I don't think we can confirm:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000008799531
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000009142718

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 18/02/2023 20:20:33
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/02/2023 :  23:59:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon

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Originally posted by jkmarler

Because you didn't have her name until later. Searches evolve.



True!

#4 From the Top Left Page
Confirmeret: 15 Sep 1811 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000013963887

Up until now, I had assumed it was her Baptism, but it's her confirmation correct? So there must be a baptism before?



No it is a baptism but what they are confirming is her home baptism made "official" by baptizing in church as well.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 19/02/2023 :  01:36:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am an idiot... I had the Confirmation Record here:

Right Page - #39 Berte Olsdatter 21 Sep 1828 - Confirmation
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8528/42050/78

What does it say below her name? ... paa Berg?

Considering Berte was confirmed at 16 1/2 and Even at 16 1/3, I looked for Torsten in 1823 to 1828 and didn't find anything.

Here is a Torsten Olsen ibid 1 year in November 1809, do you think this is the right one?

12 from the Top Left Page
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/42030/23

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 19/02/2023 02:02:13
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/02/2023 :  03:11:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Weren't there two Berte Olsdatters in the family?

Look who's above Tosten on the same farm.in the funeral records.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 19/02/2023 :  04:13:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by jkmarler

Weren't there two Berte Olsdatters in the family?

Look who's above Tosten on the same farm.in the funeral records.



Well there is Berte Olsdatter Tranbye with Baptism in 1811 and Confirmation in 1828 and then Berit Olsdatter, Berte's grandmother. Berte is younger than Torsten. What does ibid mean? Same? Well then this wouldn't be the right Torsten right?

I looked through the books below (No marriage or death for Berte Olsdatter Tranbye or Even Olsen Tranbye/Marthe Helgesdatter.):

Norderhov kirkebøker
- Ministerialbok nr. 9 (1825-1837) Marriage
- Ministerialbok nr. 10 (1838-1847) Marriage
- Ministerialbok nr. 13 (1866-1869) Deaths
- Klokkerbok nr. I 3 /1 (1831-1843) Marriage
- Klokkerbok nr. I 2 (1828-1833) Deaths


Lunder kirkebøker
- Klokkerbok nr. I 1 (1832-1849) Marriage
- Klokkerbok nr. I 1 (1832-1849) Deaths
- Klokkerbok nr. I 2 (1866-1868) Deaths

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 19/02/2023 05:33:32
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/02/2023 :  05:11:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think I confused the children of Ole Evensen with one of the other family, Nevermind me.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 19/02/2023 :  06:05:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You didn't have any luck with this right?

Also looking for Maren Svendsdatter (daughter of Svend Helgesen) and Berent Olsen after 1864 - And any descendants

Maren Svendsdatter Alme Eie born 30 MAY 1834 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway; baptism 3 Aug 1834 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway

#58 #57 Father Svend Helgesen; Mother Mari Olsdatter

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000036864488

#58 Marriage Maren with Berent Olsen (f. 1839) 4 JUL 1864 at the Vor Frelsers kirke in Oslo, Norway

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000005518403
https://www.nb.no/items/523852cdebe1441484d9e4a178deb1c1?page=1&searchText=%22Berent%20Olsen%22%20AND%20%22Maren%20Svendsdatter%22
https://www.nb.no/items/04d232a5f842c6dc04ddaea050885c56?page=1&searchText=%22%20Svendsdatter%22%20AND%20%22Berent%20Olsen%22
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/02/2023 :  07:27:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bernt and Maren were still in Kristiania in 1865:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038027012968
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 19/02/2023 :  16:29:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I actually didn't even ever saw the "Loading more" button at the bottom, expanding the page. That explains why I sometimes didn't see them probably. Anyhow, I found the original page.

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/38027/1094

I wonder if they emigrated or if Berent died and Maren relocated. Also, is it just me or does it seem a lot harder to track people in Oslo?

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 19/02/2023 18:27:10
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/02/2023 :  21:28:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The US equivalent would be looking in New York City for a Sam Jones.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 19/02/2023 :  22:13:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So I might as well go play Lottery instead of looking for Maren, got it!
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/02/2023 :  00:50:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No that it is a big job without a totally comprehensive indiexing system to view the records.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 20/02/2023 :  05:36:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sometimes I really wonder if we just can't find certain entries because they just simply don't exist.

Like Even turned 18 on 13 Apr 1833 and his daughter Aase was born on 27 Mar 1837. The marriage between Even and Marte must have happened between those two dates or not? We also know that Aase was born on Alme Eie and that all Marte's siblings were born on Alme Eie

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 20/02/2023 05:38:37
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