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jtnelson
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 Posted - 29/03/2019 : 14:46:39
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Hello,
I have recently started working on Ancestry.com and this is my first post on Norway-Heritage.
My last name is Nelson and I have traced it back to Nels Bryngelson 1820-1898 in Wisconsin? But, our family legend is that my ancestors were originally Skutle. Here in America I have seen other spellings of the name like: Skuttley, Skutley, etc. Would someone be able to shed some light on this?
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 15:22:31
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Probably the Skutle name is a farm name. In this website for Norwegian Census data you can put in the first few letters of the farm name such as skut in the box marked Farm Name, chose a census year such as 1865 and hit Search. The list will show you the people living on a farm with the name stating with Skut in 1865.
The list is three pages long.
NHDC
There is a Skutle farm in Voss parish, Hordaland county that at least some Family Trees on Ancestry.com associate with your Nels |
Edited by - AntonH on 29/03/2019 15:30:10 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 15:36:15
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Would this family be part of your family.
Claus Nilsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Claus Nilsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 mai 1849 (20 May 1849)
Baptism Date: 17 jun 1849
Baptism Place: , Voss, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Niels Brynnildsen
Mother: Guro Torbiornsdr
FHL Film Number: 278097
Here is the original record. It is a little hard to read.
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Nels Bringelson
in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Nels Bringelson
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1820
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Norway
Home in 1860: Leeds, Columbia, Wisconsin
Post Office: Leeds
Dwelling Number: 5
Family Number: 6
Occupation: Fl
Personal Estate Value: 100
Household Members:
Name Age
Nels Bringelson 40
Guro Bringelson 30
Claus Bringelson 11
Turburne Bringelson 9
Martha Bringelson 7
Ingebar Bringelson 5
Nels Bryngelsen
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Nels Bryngelsen
Birth Date: 1821
Death Date: 1898
Cemetery: Pine Grove Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Pine Grove, Chippewa County, Wisconsin, United States of America
Has Bio?: Y |
Edited by - AntonH on 29/03/2019 16:04:16 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 15:58:41
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Another son from the same parents has an original record that is easier to read than the one for Claus. The father is listed as Nils Brynulfsen Skutle.
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Here is the Ancestry.com record for him
Thorbjorn Nilsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Thorbjorn Nilsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 9 jul 1851
Baptism Date: 3 aug 1851
Baptism Place: , Voss, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Niels Brynilds.
Mother: Guro Thorbjornsdr
FHL Film Number: 278097
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AntonH
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 16:11:49
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Here is the record for a Niels Brynildsen residence Skutle moving to Bergen in 1831. Age is 18 and birth year is about 1821
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AntonH
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 16:31:00
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You also may be interested in this discussion on this site back in 2004 for a Ole Olsen Skutle. Probably the same farm name. Releated to your Niels we do not yet know.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 16:34:51
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Here is a candidate for your Nils.
Niels Brynildsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Niels Brynildsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 31 des 1819 (31 Dec 1819)
Baptism Date: 2 jan 1820
Baptism Place: , Voss, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Brynjel Knudsen
Mother: Maritha Godskalksdr
FHL Film Number: 124787
It appears he was born out of wedlock.
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Well to complicate things a little there is another Niels with father Brynild listed just below the one I have listed as #1. He is number 2 on the same page. But based on the page from the Bygdebok posted by Tore below, he is not your man. Number 1 is your Nils.
It is a little complicated but I wonder if the your Niels has the same mother Martha Godskalksdatter as Ole Olsen Skutle but a different father a Brynuld Knutsen and not Ole Pedersen.
Needs a little sorting out here, but here is the baptism of the Ole Olsen Skutle discussed in the other topic.
Ole Olsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Ole Olsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 5 jan 1838
Baptism Date: 4 feb 1838
Baptism Place: , Voss, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Ole Pedersen
Mother: Marthe Godskalksdr
FHL Film Number: 124789
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Note the mothers name is the same for both Niels and Ole.
Here is the marriage of Marthe Godskalksdatter and Ole Pedersen in 1823
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Maritha was confirmed in 1814, residence was Ringheim.
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Probably her in the 1801 Census, age one year, father is Godskalk Mattiesen and mother is Randveg Davidsdatter.
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ToreL
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 17:00:55
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| Nils and Guro's wedding in 1852, second line. Father of the groom Bryniel Knudsen. Could be his burial here. |
Edited by - ToreL on 29/03/2019 17:55:17 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 17:34:52
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| Guro/Guri is 26e on this page from the Vossastrand bygdebok. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 18:16:49
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| Nils' confirmation 1836, bottom line |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 18:56:14
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Jeffrey - You will find that through time the spelling of a farm or farms can change. There really won't be a correct version - but a series of changes and even spelling variations that can be found in old documents.
The Skutle farms in Voss have been found in early documents spelled as Skutlin, Skutlinni, Skotle, Skuttlenn. Skottlenn, Skuttle. and Schutle.
Source: https://www.dokpro.uio.no/rygh_ng/rygh_form.html
If the spellings of Skuttley and Skutley that you've encountered were used by emigrants in a new country then they CHOSE themselves to spell it that way. That is not unusual in any way. In my own family I've found spellings changed in America usually to better allow pronounciation by new neighbors and friends to more closely match the original that family preferred. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 21:55:50
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Wife of Nels Bryngelsen is named Guro Torbjornsdatter. Her father is named Torbiørn Eilefsen and was born about 1799 according to the Bygdebok entry posted by Tore. This is likely him in the 1801 Norwegian Census. Parents are Eilef Davidsen and Ingeborg Knudsdatter. Farm is Giellen
1801
Likely his baptism record
Torbioren Ellefsen
Name: Torbioren Ellefsen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 14 jan 1799
Baptism Place: Vinje,Hordaland,Norway
Father: Eilef Davitsen
Mother: Ingebor Knudsdr
FHL Film Number: 124786
First entry for Vinje in 1799
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Eilef Davidsen married Ingeborg Knudsdatter in 1789, farm was Henrichstvedt.
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Original marriage record is middle of left hand page
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Edited by - AntonH on 29/03/2019 22:20:25 |
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jtnelson
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Posted - 30/03/2019 : 00:05:36
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Thank so much to all of you for your quick response! You have been so helpful!
I have only had a chance to do a cursory review of the replies and look forward to reading them and all the supporting links. Aside form the many variations of the spelling of Skutle, I need to figure out the the supposed half-brother relationship between Peder and Ole Olson Skutle (brothers) and Nels Bryngelson. Perhaps the out of wedlock reference above will lead us to the answer. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/03/2019 : 00:43:08
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the supposed half-brother relationship between Peder and Ole Olson Skutle (brothers) and Nels Bryngelson[
Nels Bryngelson was born Dec 31, 1819. His father was Brynjel Knutsen and his mother was Martha Godskalksdatter.. His parents were not married.
His half brother Ole Olsen Skulte was born Jan 5, 1838. His father was Ole Pedersen and his mother was Martha Godskalksdatter.
Same mother different fathers, so yes they are half brothers.
Also the other brother Peder was born Sept. 24, 1825. His father was Ole Pedersen and mother Martha Godskalksdatter.
So Peder is a full brother to Ole and half brother to Nels.
Name: Peder Olsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 24 sep 1825
Baptism Date: 23 okt 1825 (23 Oct 1825)
Baptism Place: Voss,Hordaland,Norway
Father: Ole Pedersen
Mother: Marita Godskalksdr
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Edited by - AntonH on 30/03/2019 01:01:31 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/03/2019 : 00:56:58
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Besides Peder born in 1825 and Ole born in 1838, Ole Pedersen and Martha Godskalksdatter, had several other children.
Magli Feb 12, 1824
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Godskalk Jul 3, 1828
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Mathias Aug 26, 1831
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Randvei Feb 25,1834 (Probably died young)
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Randvei Jun 3, 1835
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jtnelson
Starting member
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Posted - 30/03/2019 : 22:58:23
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| Thank you lyndal40 for all of your help! It helps the Nelson family understand the real story. The legend was that our ancestors changed their name from Skutle to Nelson at the port of entry to America. Now, knowing the facts, I find the whole situation humorous! : ) |
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