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Caroline Falk
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/04/2021 :  09:31:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,
unfortunately there is a very important piece of the puzzle that is missing. On his marriage certificate of 1868 his profession is ‘Mariner’. I am trying to find out when he became a Naturalised British Subject, which he would have needed to be in order to join the police force by 1871. If he was born around 1841 and I add 15 years he may have traveled to England about 1856. I will keep digging ! Thank you for show such interest. It is very encouraging #128578;
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jwiborg
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Norway
4909 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2021 :  09:50:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think we can conclude that Christian August Falk, son of Christian Rogert Falk and Anne Sivertsdatter is not the correct one.

I noticed that you in a previous post had written Christiansand as his p.o.b.... are we sure that the original record reads Christiansund? That is two different cities.
And how big are the variation in y.o.b. in the different documents?
Any records that shows a middle name?

Edited by - jwiborg on 11/04/2021 09:55:17
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 11/04/2021 :  10:08:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did he steal some candles?



Messrs. Allsopp and Sons' pale-ale brewery at Burton-on-Trent
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Caroline Falk
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Posted - 11/04/2021 :  10:21:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
/Users/carolinecleeve/Desktop/Falk Family Tree.png
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Caroline Falk
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Posted - 11/04/2021 :  10:23:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Candles! how intriguing. I am trying to open the link to see. What an interesting story this is turning out to be. I wonder if this is my Christian Falk.
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Caroline Falk
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Posted - 11/04/2021 :  10:26:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am having trouble adding pictures, is there an easy way that I am missing?
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran

Norway
4909 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2021 :  10:38:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Caroline Falk

I am having trouble adding pictures, is there an easy way that I am missing?
Adding pictures is not so easy. You can only link to pictures that are already on the internet, you can't link to pictures stored on your local computer. Files from your local computer needs to be uploaded to the internet first, before you can show them here. There are multiple free online picture hosting services that can be used, e.g. https://imgbb.com/
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Caroline Falk
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Posted - 11/04/2021 :  10:39:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you.
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 11/04/2021 :  10:44:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Caroline Falk

Candles! how intriguing. I am trying to open the link to see. What an interesting story this is turning out to be. I wonder if this is my Christian Falk.

The article was found at www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk. You need to subscribe to read the story...
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Caroline Falk
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Posted - 11/04/2021 :  11:28:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you. This is all ver exciting. I will look at this with interest! Caroline
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 13/04/2021 :  17:04:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Caroline, you may be interested in this recently posted query on Brukernes eget forum (Users Forum) on Arkivverket. The title of the query is


"Christian Falk/Peter Falk *Kristiansund-Dorset i England" posted by Karina Huseby.

The query is in Norwegian but here is a rough translation.

After an extensive search for Christian Falk on behalf of a grandchild in England, I must ask for assistance. Christian (Kristian) Falk must have been born around June 1840-41 according to his working documents. He emigrated from Norway to England BEFORE 1868, when he married Elizabeth Biggs (she died in 1904) in Burton upon Trent, Dorset in England. They have sons Joseph John b. Ca. 1869 and Edward b. Ca1871. Christian has been working for almost 20 years as a police officer, albeit with a somewhat motley demeanor. On English documents, Kristiansund, Norway is stated as the home on several occasions, alternatively it is intended as a port, perhaps? I find no C F b 1841 in Kristiansund, only a Christian August Falk b 26 / 6-1842 died in London 31 / 10-1905. It is NOT the Christian I am looking for. At the wedding on 13 / 6-1868, he states that his father is Peter Falk. Christian dies in a collision with a train at Branstone Station on August 20, 1908. More is not known.

Here is a link to the discussion.

https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/271172-christian-falkpeter-falk-kristiansund-dorset-i-england/

I realize that you may be the originator of the post, but just in case your are not.



Edited by - AntonH on 13/04/2021 17:43:21
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 14/04/2021 :  01:12:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting what direction the other forum's research has taken.

Since Christian's occupation was mariner or sailor, I did look at the rulleringen roles listed for Christiansund, but it appears that Christiansund's are under Trondheim and none on line after about 1815. When we were searching for Christain Tromme, I think somebody wrote to the archives and got some records for that search for a More og Romsdal sailor. Maybe that could be done again.
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Caroline Falk
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United Kingdom
25 Posts

Posted - 14/04/2021 :  07:24:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you to all those taking an interest in my Falk Family Tree. The Christian Falk that is my Great, Great, Grandfather is proving to be very dificult to find on his way from Norway.
I am amazed at all the kind efforts to help me, and very grateful. It has encouraged me to keep going on my search for his Birth and Norweigian family links.
Translation is not always clear, but the computer is a massive help with this. Also the similarity of some of the names can be a bit confusing. However I feel I am now on the right trail for him. Please keep it up! Thank you .
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Caroline Falk
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United Kingdom
25 Posts

Posted - 14/04/2021 :  07:48:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

Caroline, you may be interested in this recently posted query on Brukernes eget forum (Users Forum) on Arkivverket. The title of the query is


"Christian Falk/Peter Falk *Kristiansund-Dorset i England" posted by Karina Huseby.

The query is in Norwegian but here is a rough translation.

After an extensive search for Christian Falk on behalf of a grandchild in England, I must ask for assistance. Christian (Kristian) Falk must have been born around June 1840-41 according to his working documents. He emigrated from Norway to England BEFORE 1868, when he married Elizabeth Biggs (she died in 1904) in Burton upon Trent, Dorset in England. They have sons Joseph John b. Ca. 1869 and Edward b. Ca1871. Christian has been working for almost 20 years as a police officer, albeit with a somewhat motley demeanor. On English documents, Kristiansund, Norway is stated as the home on several occasions, alternatively it is intended as a port, perhaps? I find no C F b 1841 in Kristiansund, only a Christian August Falk b 26 / 6-1842 died in London 31 / 10-1905. It is NOT the Christian I am looking for. At the wedding on 13 / 6-1868, he states that his father is Peter Falk. Christian dies in a collision with a train at Branstone Station on August 20, 1908. More is not known.

Here is a link to the discussion.

https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/271172-christian-falkpeter-falk-kristiansund-dorset-i-england/

I realize that you may be the originator of the post, but just in case your are not.




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jkmarler
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USA
7311 Posts

Posted - 14/04/2021 :  12:36:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
#14 Klaus Christian Falch
Møre og Romsdal county, Edøy, Brattvær, Hopen in Edøy, Parish register (official) no. 581A04 (1836-1852), Born and baptised 1842, Page 24
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070913660026

#5 name transformed to Hans Christian Folk confirmation
Møre og Romsdal county, Edøy, Brattvær, Tustna, Hopen in Edøy, Parish register (official) no. 581A05 (1853-1872), Confirmation 1857, Page 171
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050706011163

I didn't find a death for this person nor did I find him leaving the parish. Please look at the original birth baptism record. Is the name Klaus or is it Hans?

If it is Hans then there is a whole realm of possibility there. Hans Rasmus Falch is one of the faddernes for Klaus /Hans Christian Falch's baptism. Klaus/Hans's mother is Alet Klaus / Hansdatter Falch. He gets his surname from his mother since his parents are not married. But his father is Peder Jorgensen Veien.

There is an Alet Margrethe born to Hans Rasmus Falck and Alette Margrethe Eckhoff in 1817 :
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000004598433

Hans Rasmus Falck and his wife Alette Margreth Eckhoff also have a son named Hans Rasmus:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000004604462

and a son named Christian Roggert Falck:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000007235518

Google says its about 48 km from Edoy church and Christiansund. Smøla bygdeboker seem to have a lot of Falk, Falck, etc in them.

The Geni page on Christian Roggert Falk says this about Hans Christian's mother Alet:

"About Alethe Margrethe Hansdatter Falch

Kilde: Smølaminne 1971 s 24 Falk-slekta

'C 9. Alethe Margrete Hansdatter Falch var fødd i 1817, og var i 1841 gift mes Peder Jørgensen Pust Veien f 1819. Alethe døydde på Veien i 1855, 38 år, same dag som ho fekk eit dødfødd barn.

Peder gifta seg oppatt i 1857 med Johanna Ellingsd. Klakken f. 1821...'

Alethe og peder hadde 4 barn saman, der to av dei utvandra til USA."

Alet's marriage to Peder in 1842:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000009274614

Likely Alet's death in 1855:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000005046045

Alet's and Peder's daughter Jorgina:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000040739722

Alet's and Peder's son Claus (!):
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000040740187

#5 (the original handwriting was filmed in black and white and the correction was done right over the old word so impossible to tell--is it Claus or Olaus)
Møre og Romsdal county, Edøy, Brattvær, Hopen in Edøy, Parish register (official) no. 581A04 (1836-1852), Born and baptised 1847, Page 47
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070913660049



Alet's and Peder's daughter Anne Petrine:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000040741765

Peder and family in 1865 census Klaus / Hans not with them but son called Olaus is probably the Claus:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038309004152


Edited by - jkmarler on 14/04/2021 17:43:06
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