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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 12/08/2021 : 03:04:55
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Hi Forum,
Brejohns asks for our assistance with her 3 g grandmother Ingeborg Olsdatter. For some reason related to the current difficulties on the tech side of the site, she is unable to post the topic and I offered to assist. These are the details she has:
History of Ingeborg Olsdatter
1805-1888
Birth Record: 4 May 1805 Parents: Ole Andersen and Synneva Heljesdr
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/11769/232
Married Anders Bergesen on 15 July 1832
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/11772/303
Children: 1835 Berge https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/11776/8
1836 Synneva https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/11773/4
1838 Brita https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/11773/25
1841 Ole https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/11773/51
1843 Anders https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/11773/78
1846 Marta Birth Record: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/11773/118
1865 Norway Census – Ingeborg resided at Voss Prgj with husband Anders Bergesen and son Ole Andersen.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038235011285
Ingeborg was residing in Voss Norway area at the time of her husband Anders Bergesen’s death on 11 Dec 1870. It appears she reported his death as noted in the last column.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/6985/165
According to the biography of Martha Johnson – from the North Preston Lutheran History Book (which is included in the ELCA database at Ancestry and in which story it is mentioned that Martha took care of her elderly mother) Ingeborg lived
with her daughter Martha Johnson (married to Helge Johannessen) in Lake Preston Kingsbury South Dakota
Her daughter Martha came to the USA when she was 18 and lived in Chicago IL area. Either 1863 or 1864. This may be her, but there is no date listed.
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7486&h=1115727&tid=&pid=&queryId=c13686c0a3b409469e2dadb8fcf93ad0&usePUB=true&_phsrc=XyS5558&_phstart=successSource
She married Helje Johannessen (Helge Johnson B. 4 Jan 1835) on 5 September 1868. Not sure of the location but assume it to be Illinois. Helje and Marta (Martha) were both immigrants from the Evanger Voss area. Most of Martha’s USA records show a birth year of 1845 in the federal censuses. Unable to locate a marriage record at this time.
In 1887 Martha and Helge moved to Dakota Territory (SD) in the North Preston community. They had 12 children: Bertha, Lena, Julia, Andrew, Henry, Gilbert, Martin, Albert, Jacob, Lewis, Bert and Leander. Bertha died at age 25 years; Lena died at 18 years; Julia died at 22 years; and Bert died at 7 years old. Martha’s husband died 12 March 1907 and is buried in SD. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85275880/helge-johnson
This may have been Ingeborg coming to live with her daughter in 1871. There is not enough information to confirm that this is our Ingeborg. Lots of Norwegian immigrants came to the USA by way of Canada because it was cheaper to go this route. Once in Canada they would travel down to Chicago, IL and WI.
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1263&h=2826&tid=&pid=&queryId=8fdf12ec403309a9bdd1d5a997d86e29&usePUB=true&_phsrc=XyS5543&_phstart=successSource
Martha and Helge appear in the 1900 and 1910 Census – but I can not find any census that show Ingeborg lived with them.
1900 Census:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/59794693:7602?tid=&pid=&queryId=f588d9134e6583d92fd2c9f69d4d4839&_phsrc=XyS5519&_phstart=successSource
1910 Census
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/26862444:7884?tid=&pid=&queryId=f588d9134e6583d92fd2c9f69d4d4839&_phsrc=XyS5520&_phstart=successSource
Final Resting Places
Thinking this is our Ingeborg but that she used her daughter’s last name or did someone just think her last name was Johnson? Her headstone only says Ingeborg. Both were buried at the same cemetery in Kingsbury County Lake Preston at Hinderlie Cemetery as well as her husband Helge Johnson and it listed Martha as her daughter.
Ingeborg (Olsdatter) Johnson Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/98297250/ingeborg-johnson
1805 – 1888
Martha Anderson Styve Johnson’s Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/198323132/martha-johnson
1846 - 1912
Our assistance with documentation of her travel and residence details in US is asked.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/08/2021 : 07:20:06
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The family got split up in the 1880 census schedules. Ingeborg is listed with the younger children of Helge and Martha and Helge and Martha are on the page before:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXV3-V5Y
Inexplicable too is the age of Andrew Johnson as 29, he was born in 1871 actually. Pretty bad job by census taker all the way round. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 12/08/2021 07:40:57 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 12/08/2021 : 14:21:55
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According to Evangerboka, Ingeborg Olsdatter emigrated in 1888: https://ibb.co/qj2Yj80
If so, it should be possible to find her in the Norway 1875 census. Here is one possibility. |
Edited by - ToreL on 12/08/2021 19:08:03 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2021 : 15:09:40
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The children of Helge Johnson and Martha Anderson according to Martha's biography published in the North Preston history book in 1958 are these:
Bertha * b 1869
Lena* b 1873 as Ingeborg Karoline
Julia * b 1878 as Guro Bertine
Andrew * b 1871 as Anders
Henry * b 1874
Gilbert* b 1876 as Gullich
Martin * b 1880
Albert * b 1883 as Albert Olai
Jacob * b 1885
Lewis
Bert
Leander
* these are the ones with births and baptisms recorded in the Lisbon Illinois Lutheran church. Ingeborg Karoline has one faddernes named Ingebor Olsdatter.
In the 1900 census Martha is listed as having born 12 children of whom 9 are living. There is one son named John H Johnson who was born in Norway about 1861 and so must be one of the 3 stepchildren mentioned in the North Preston history biography that Martha helped raise and probably is not to be included in her 12 or 9 counts.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-691Q-KQ7?i=12&cc=1325221&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMMR4-XTF |
Edited by - jkmarler on 12/08/2021 19:24:52 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/08/2021 : 16:04:12
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The death of Anders, Ingeborg Olsdatter's husband # 2:
SAB, Evanger sokneprestembete*, Parish register (copy) no. A 2, 1863-1879, p. 169
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061221630256
You noted that there is a mention of Ingeborg Olsdatter in the far column but that is a different Ingeborg Olsdatter. That column deals with stillborn (dødfødt) babies one of which this Ingeborg was the reporter of. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/08/2021 : 18:09:09
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Marta #30 resides Styve
SAB, Voss Sokneprestembete, H/Haa: Parish register (official) no. A 13, 1836-1851, p. 115
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070524640623
Martha #15 confirmand born Styve
SAB, Voss Sokneprestembete, H/Haa: Parish register (official) no. A 18, 1848-1876, p. 89
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070104610743
Birthdate 1 Feb 1846, baptismal date 15 Feb 1846, vaccination date 7 Sept 1853
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Edited by - jkmarler on 12/08/2021 18:15:56 |
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brejohns
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Posted - 12/08/2021 : 18:13:30
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| I know that the death record for Ingeborg's husband Anders Bergesen is listed on 11 Dec 1870. I had a relative in Norway review this and tell me that it was odd that they put the information on who was reporting the death in the wrong column. He said they usually list stillborn babies there. So I thought this may have been our Ingeborg (his wife) reporting it. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/08/2021 : 18:22:20
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Well, hey, welcome back! Good you got it to go!
Well, her name is Ingeborg Olsdatter Fadnæs or Tadnæs and Styve has been the family residence for a long time, so this Ingeborg seems unlikely to be yours. The other dødfodtes on the same page are also treated the same with the reporters in the farthest right column, so must be a reflection of the form then in use. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 12/08/2021 : 18:33:37
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| It appears I am able to post now. This is great. So it is a different Ingeborg Olsdatter that is listed on the death record of Anders Bergesen. Thank you for the confirmation info on Martha. I did not have that. It sure seems like Ingeborg came to the USA but still nothing that shows her emigrating? |
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brejohns
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Posted - 12/08/2021 : 18:45:11
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| Thank you jkmarler for finding Ingeborg in the 1880 census. I didn't find that, but it appears that in 1880 she was living in Big Grove, Kendall, IL with her daughter and son-in-law - even tho they were listed on 2 pages. Ingeborg is listed with Martha's children. Thank you. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/08/2021 : 18:57:21
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Unfortunately, the migrants database here at NorwayHeritage still gets a 500 error. So far I haven't seen anything in the utflyttedes which mentions Marta or her mother.
If you are satisfied that the Ingeborg Olsdatter who was the faddernes to Ingeborg Caroline is the baby's grandmother, then you know Ingeborg had to get to the US by 1873.
If you are satisfied that the widow Ingeborg Olsdatter "staying in family" in the 1880 census with the youngest of Martha's and Helge's children is her, then you know Ingeborg had to get to the US by 1880.
As for Martha, the biography written in 1958 (46 years after she's gone) gives her birthdate as 1 Feb 1845, which you know is incorrect. It also tells that she came to US as a 17 year old so either 1862 or 1863 but reports on her travel in most of the censuses appears to be 1867ish. And the solid date of her marriage in the biography of 5 Sept 1868 means that she had to be in US for certain by then.
The bio also says whenever it was, she came to US with relatives--and settled in Chicago, any idea who they might be? |
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brejohns
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Posted - 12/08/2021 : 23:00:46
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I am satisfied that the Ingeborg Olsdatter listed as a sponsor in 1873 for Ingeborg Karoline is her grandmother. I am also satisfied that the Ingeborg Olsdatter "staying in family" listed with Martha and Helge's children in the 1880 census is our Ingeborg Olsdatter. So we know she was still in Norway in 1870 but by 1873 she is in IL. So her emigration dates are between 1870 and 1873. Correct? In Martha's bio her marriage date is given as 1868 so this would mean she was already in the USA before Ingeborg came. Martha's bio says she came here with relatives and settled in Chicago, but I have no idea what relatives she is referring to. In the 1900 census Martha says her emigration date is 1867. https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/59794693:7602?tid=&pid=&queryId=1c7168f5e838c823d521295ab3447b10&_phsrc=KNx150&_phstart=successSource I hope this link works.
I am hoping we can find something between 1870 and 1873 for Ingeborg Olsdatter. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 13/08/2021 : 09:55:59
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Originally posted by brejohns
I am satisfied that the Ingeborg Olsdatter listed as a sponsor in 1873 for Ingeborg Karoline is her grandmother. I am also satisfied that the Ingeborg Olsdatter "staying in family" listed with Martha and Helge's children in the 1880 census is our Ingeborg Olsdatter. So we know she was still in Norway in 1870 but by 1873 she is in IL. So her emigration dates are between 1870 and 1873. Correct? In Martha's bio her marriage date is given as 1868 so this would mean she was already in the USA before Ingeborg came. Martha's bio says she came here with relatives and settled in Chicago, but I have no idea what relatives she is referring to. In the 1900 census Martha says her emigration date is 1867. https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/59794693:7602?tid=&pid=&queryId=1c7168f5e838c823d521295ab3447b10&_phsrc=KNx150&_phstart=successSource I hope this link works.
I am hoping we can find something between 1870 and 1873 for Ingeborg Olsdatter.
The clip from Evangerboka that I linked to above, says that Martha emigrated in 1863, but since the book also gives an emigation year for Ingeborg that appears to be wrong, the claim should be taken with a pinch of salt. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 13/08/2021 : 20:19:41
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I apologize for not researching Torel's 2 links. Thank you so much for the info on the Styve Farm. I hope to look into Martha's travel in the year 1863. I was looking much later. I also found an interesting Andrus Anderson located with the same birth date as Ingeborg's son 1843 and living at same location as Martha in 1900 census. Says he immigrated in 1871. Could Ingeborg have come over with him? https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/860972:7602?tid=&pid=&queryId=3ae6486d8558cd94b4bd1a62c27cb4e8&_phsrc=KNx173&_phstart=successSource Just wondering if there is any connection. In Torel's information does "utv." mean emigrate? 1888 matches the death date at the Hinderlie Cemetery. I do have a friend that is checking out the Hinderlie Cemetery this week. Again, sorry I overlooked Torel's links - but will check on a 1863 emigration date.
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ToreL
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Posted - 13/08/2021 : 20:52:38
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Marthas brother Anders was born on February 19th 1843 (#73) rather than in January of that year, but that is perhaps close enough? In accordance with what Evangerboka claims, he left Evanger in 1861 (#5). Evangerboka says he moved to Haus parish, which looks right.
Anders and Martha also had a brother named Ole, born in 1841. In 1867, Anders Andersen Styve, aged 26, and Ole Andersen Styve, aged 24, are listed right after each other on a ship list for Quebec. The ages would be about right if swapped. Also interesting is the fact that both are listed as born in Haus ("Haugs"). There is no Styve farm in Haus, so the combiantion Styve/Haus makes for quite a convincing match. |
Edited by - ToreL on 13/08/2021 22:09:39 |
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brejohns
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Posted - 13/08/2021 : 21:20:13
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| Yes Torel I agree with you on Anders birth date - but was wondering the same as you if the census folks thought Jan & Feb were close enough?? However I can check to see if Anders shows up in the Haus parish or in any later censuses. Just to rule it out. Just thinking Ingeborg came with relatives to the USA. Was thinking that Ingeborg didn't come over until her husband passed away, but that can be wrong as well. It just seemed more than a coincident that an Andrus Anderson had the same birth year and was located at the same place in IL.. I've also tried to contact Helge Johannessen Rongen's side of the family to see if their history has any clues in it. |
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Ingeborg Olsdatter 1805 Voss died where & when
