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connierl
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Posted - 01/04/2003 :  02:54:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello
does anyone connect to these two families?
The Botolf Rasmussen in the census first below was the father of my Grgr grandfather
Bottolf Bottolfsen.
Botolf Rasmussen and Margit Nilsdatter were the unmarried parents of Bottolf Bottolfsen who was raised with his mother, and stepfather and step siblings. (see second census info)

Census 1801: Ve (Wee) farm in Flaa:
149 Buskerud Næs Flaae Annex Wee
Botolf Rasmussen, farmer 46 yrs, his 2nd marriage
Ragna Knudsdatter, his wife, 28 yrs, her 1st marriage
Barbroe Botolfsdatter, their daughter 7 yrs.
Knud Botolfsen their son 5 yrs.
Gunil Botolfsdatter, their daughter 3 yrs.
Knud Embretsen servant/labour 20 yrs, not married
Tor Tollefsen servant/laborur 19 yrs, not married
(children listed above are step siblings of Bottolf)

The following is census info for Bottolf Bottolfsen's mother:

1801 Census, Buskerud Co. Lunder annex to Norderhaug
(Bottolf Bottolfsen's mother Margit and his step siblings from his mother's first marriage and child by second marriage)

(Norderhov) parish, Oure farm:
Mikkel Eriksen, farmer, 41 his first marriage
Margit Nilsdatter, 47, his wife, her second marriage
Hans Endresen (Endresson), her son, 20, single
Gjertrud Endresdatter, her daughter, 17
Kari Endresdatter, her daughter, 13
Bottolf Bottolfsen (Bottolfsson), her son born out
of wedlock, 5 years old
Åse Mikkelsdatter, their daughter 4 years old

I would like to know the fate of the members of both of these families.
I have most of the information on Bottolf Bottolfsen, his marriage and children and their immigration to the USA. But I know nothing of Bottolf Bottolfsen's parents or his step siblings.
I would appreciate anything I could get on any of the people shown in this message.
It is a tangled web as you can see.
Please contact me at
connierl@pionet.net
thank you
Connie Bottolfsen Loftus



Connie R. Loftus

connierl
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Posted - 10/02/2014 :  17:42:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the email address for Connie Bottolfsen Loftus
connierl@longlines.com

the address connierl@pionet,net

may or may not work
thank you

Connie R. Loftus
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 10/02/2014 :  18:10:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by connierl

Hello
does anyone connect to these two families?
The Botolf Rasmussen in the census first below was the father of my Grgr grandfather
Bottolf Bottolfsen.
Botolf Rasmussen and Margit Nilsdatter were the unmarried parents of Bottolf Bottolfsen who was raised with his mother, and stepfather and step siblings. (see second census info)

Census 1801: Ve (Wee) farm in Flaa:
149 Buskerud Næs Flaae Annex Wee
Botolf Rasmussen, farmer 46 yrs, his 2nd marriage
Ragna Knudsdatter, his wife, 28 yrs, her 1st marriage
Barbroe Botolfsdatter, their daughter 7 yrs.
Knud Botolfsen their son 5 yrs.
Gunil Botolfsdatter, their daughter 3 yrs.
Knud Embretsen servant/labour 20 yrs, not married
Tor Tollefsen servant/laborur 19 yrs, not married
(children listed above are step siblings of Bottolf)




Gunhild Bottolfsdatter Haugen appears in Sigmund Sevre's list Emigranter fra Nes og Flå. Bapt 17 June 1798, d. 5 Jan 1862 left for America in 1846 as a widow of Tollef Tollefson Gulsvigeie bapt 27 Dec 1792 m. 8 Jan 1826 d. 28 May 1843 along with 3 of her children, Tollef Tollefson Haugen, Bottolf Tollefson Haugen and Gunhild Tollefsdatter Haugen. Gunhild Bottolfsdatter came to Jordan, Green County, Wisconsin and later to Orfordville, Rock county, Wisconsin.

There is more data on the children if you are interested. She appears in Naeseth's Norwegian Immigrants to the United States, a Biographical Directory 1825-1850, Volume 2, pg 370 arriving on the Elizabeth Bruce which landed in New York on 12 Aug 1846.

Apparently there will be "dueling" experts on this family as Naeseth has 4 children on the Elizabeth Bruce and has identified a different birthdate for Gunhild's husband.

Gunhild's memorial at findagrave:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSfn=gunhild&GSiman=1&GScid=2135381&GRid=77098718&

Edited by - jkmarler on 14/02/2014 02:56:09
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lyndal40
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USA
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Posted - 10/02/2014 :  23:14:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Apparently there will be "dueling" experts on this family as Naeseth has 4 children on the Elizabeth Bruce and has identified a different birthdate for Gunhild's husband.


Maybe picked up a child on the way. The emmigration record shws only three children. See number 96.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1110&idx_id=1110&uid=ny&idx_side=-614
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lyndal40
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USA
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Posted - 10/02/2014 :  23:36:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are about ten Family Trees on Ancestry.com for Botolf Rasmusen, half with Margit Nilsdatter and the other half with Ragne Knutsdatter as spouse. Many photos and stories with the Trees.

There are about 15 or more Family Trees on Ancestry.com for Gunhild Cornelia Botolfsdatter Haugen, again a lot of photos, stories and sources for this person and other members of the family.

If you have a subscription to Ancestry there is a wealth of information avaliable.
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lyndal40
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USA
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Posted - 10/02/2014 :  23:51:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Elizabeth Bruce is listed on Ancestry.com as arriving on Aug 11, 1846 with 193 passengers. Looking over the passenger list I can not see any passengers that fit the group of Gunhild and her three children?

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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/02/2014 :  00:41:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

The Elizabeth Bruce is listed on Ancestry.com as arriving on Aug 11, 1846 with 193 passengers. Looking over the passenger list I can not see any passengers that fit the group of Gunhild and her three children?



In Naeseth's Gunhild is transcribed on the list as "Runel Bridrater, 50 m". Her son Tollef is transcribed as "C Bridrater, 21 f", son Bottolf as "Brittloz Bridrater, 18 m", the missing child Ole as "Ole Bridrater, 15, m" and the daughter Gunhild as "Kusol Bridrater, 13 m". All of which adds up to a very strange mish-mash of facts, names and sexes. The sources listed for this family in Naeseth's are the parish records of Nes, Buskerud; the Luther Valley Lutheran Church records of Rock county, Wisconsin; 1860 & 1880 census of Wisconsin; Jordan Lutheran cemetery; Mrs. John A. Peterson and Mrs. L.A. Berg.

Passenger lists are often difficult to read and interpret, it seems.

The Elizabeth Bruce passenger list is also on norwayheritage. Gunhild Bottolfsdatter as Risnel Bridrater is #90:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=2220

Edited by - jkmarler on 11/02/2014 00:54:19
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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/02/2014 :  16:08:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gunild Bottolfsdatter also has a brother named Rasmus Bottolfson who came to America and is also on Sigmund Sevre's list.

Rasmus was baptized 5 Sept 1802 while the family was on Kolsrudeie.
He married 9 Jan 1831 to Christi Olsdatter. They left in 1861 from Ovestrud (Åvestrud) and settled near Belgrade, Minnesota and were members of Big Grove Lutheran Church near there.
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lyndal40
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Posted - 11/02/2014 :  17:42:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
In Naeseth's Gunhild is transcribed on the list as "Runel Bridrater, 50 m


Here is how Ancestry.com indexes the five people you referrede to above.

Russel Bridrater
11 Aug 1846 abt 1796 Le Havre, France Elizabeth Bruce
View Record
C Bridrater
11 Aug 1846 abt 1825 Le Havre, France Elizabeth Bruce
View Record
Dittloz Bridrater
11 Aug 1846 abt 1828 Le Havre, France Elizabeth Bruce
View Record
Ole Bridrater
11 Aug 1846 abt 1831 Le Havre, France Elizabeth Bruce
View Record
Kusel Bridrater
11 Aug 1846 abt 1833 Le Havre, France Elizabeth Bruce

Here is one full record from the list

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Russel Bridrater
Arrival Date: 11 Aug 1846
Birth Date: abt 1796
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Le Havre, France
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Elizabeth Bruce

Edited by - lyndal40 on 11/02/2014 17:44:38
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lyndal40
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USA
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Posted - 12/02/2014 :  04:57:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Baptism record for Tollef, Nov 15, 1926. See Number 11.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3053&idx_id=3053&uid=ny&idx_side=-52

Baptism record for Botolf. See number 157, Aug 5, 1828.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3053&idx_id=3053&uid=ny&idx_side=-117

Baptism record for Ole See number 72. Jan 6, 1831.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3053&idx_id=3053&uid=ny&idx_side=-187

Baptism record for Gunhild See number 38, born Dec 20, 1833. This is different than the emmigration record and in all of the Family Tree dates online whcih give the year as 1832.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3053&idx_id=3053&uid=ny&idx_side=-258

Edited by - lyndal40 on 12/02/2014 06:13:58
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 12/02/2014 :  22:20:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The compilation of multiple pastoral records, a sexton's record book, the 60th anniversary history of Big Grove Lutheran church by Henry A. Baalson, cemetery superintendent, has this information about Rasmus Bottolfson:

"Died Jan 7, 1873, age 65 years; Burial rites June 3, 1873; Born 1805. Died in the great blizzard of 1873."

Age varies but reasonably certain this is your Rasmus.

There are several pages which contain details of "The Great Blizzard of 1873."
It is reported in several newspapers as occurring 4 -7 Jan 1873 with about 70 deaths in Minnesota.

Edited by - jkmarler on 14/02/2014 14:57:19
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 14/02/2014 :  03:00:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gunhild's son, Botolf's, findagrave memorial:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSfn=botolf&GSiman=1&GScid=2135381&GRid=77152945&
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JaneC
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USA
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Posted - 14/02/2014 :  21:13:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
She's probably just looking for distant cousins who might have done research and posting her email for their benefit. Otherwise, I think she'd be more specific about the research goal, and she would have updated her 11-year-old query. Work you're doing will benefit somebody out there sometime. Just saying the OP might not return.

Edited by - JaneC on 14/02/2014 21:18:42
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/02/2014 :  21:21:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Perhaps you are correct that the poster only wants to entertain her immediate kith & kin to respond and that is certainly her prerogative. My prerogative is that the poster "er Halling" and so I have put up a bit of information and links to assist a possibly unknown cousin of mine. Hallingdal is very small area and virtually everyone there is a cousin of one degree or another the farther back in time you go....
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JaneC
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Posted - 14/02/2014 :  21:28:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wonderful. The OP is a contributor here:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSmid=18979274&

Edited by - JaneC on 14/02/2014 21:39:54
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jkmarler
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3630 Posts

Posted - 14/02/2014 :  23:22:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JaneC

Wonderful. The OP is a contributor here:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSmid=18979274&




Obviously poster is seasoned researcher and probably doesn't need any help....
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