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DALB
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 Posted - 10/12/2018 : 01:53:14
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Can anyone help me locate where my ancestral grandfather, Knud Anderson, was born? There is a Knud Anderson born in Aurdal about this time – but he is married to someone else. Another person - also working on this extended family - had him as Knud A from Espelien – which is not correct –Knud Espelien is married to someone else also. The 1801 census was not available when he was working on this family.
Knud may have come from another parish.
There is a Lommen farm in Slidre – could he possibly have come from there? I checked the Lomen - Vestre Slidre records – but they are impossible to read.
Knud Anderson Liommen Lien, born Abt. 1765 in ?; died 16 Oct 1817 in Lien, Nord Aurdal, Valdres, Oppland, Norway 52 yrs. He married (1) Kiersti (Kirsten) Nielsdatter Lund Lien 10 Jul 1793 in Aurdal, Valdres, Oppland, Norway. She was born Bef. 01 Feb 1756 in Lund, Aurdal, Valdres, Oppland, Norway, and died 22 Jan 1850 in Lien, Nord Aurdal, Valdres, Oppland, Norway 94 yrs. She was the daughter of Niels Helgesen Ellingboe Lund and Maria Magdalena Andreasdatter Morland.
Their engagement in the Aurdal records – 1793 page 139 – 3rd entry on left side of the page.
Source information: Oppland county, Aurdal, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1781-1804), Engagement records 1793, page 139.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9363&idx_id=9363&uid=ny&idx_side=-141
On the 1801 census – They are the first ones listed on Lia Nordere – Kiersti’s first husband had owned the farm before he died.
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f18010540&gardpostnr=6&personpostnr=157&merk=157#ovre
Amt Prestegjeld Sokn Gard/hus
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Christians Ourdahl Ourdahls Hoved Sogn Lia Nordere
Nytt hushald Førenamn Etternamn Hushaldstill. Alder Sivilstand Yrke Kjønn
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* Knudt Andersen Gaardmand 32 Han 1te og hendes andet ægteskab Gaardbruger M
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Kirsti Nielsdtr Huustrue 45 Han 1te og hendes andet ægteskab K
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Anders Tostensen Stif søn 19 Ugift Hos faderen M
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Berit Knudsdtr Datter 7 Ugift Hos forældrene K
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Marit Knudsdtr Datter 5 Ugift Hos forældrene K
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Mari Tostensdtr Stifdatter 16 Ugift Hos forældrene K
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Anne Tostensdtr Stifdatter 14 Ugift Hos forældrene K
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Sofie Tostensdtr Stifdatter 12 Ugift Hos forældrene K
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/12/2018 : 02:39:40
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Have you investigated Knut baptism date Feb 1, 1767, Lom Oppland. Father is Anders Tychede.
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Transcribed version of the original record
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I would guess that the father Anders died in 1769
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Age at death given as 43.
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Edited by - AntonH on 10/12/2018 03:53:19 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 10/12/2018 : 08:13:50
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Three other possible avenues for search:
The bondsmen at the marriage are Andreas Lund and Ole Onstad. They might be relatives.
The faddernes for the baptism of his and Kiersti's children might reveal additional relatives.
Search the confirmation records to find if a Knud Anderson turns up who might not have been baptized in Aurdal. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 10/12/2018 : 22:16:54
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Tychede (Tykket) is a small holding under main farm Marstein søndre in Lom.
The godparents in 1767 are Ole Sørhage, Lars Botolfsen, Elef Marsten, Gunil Marsten, Ane ditto.
 
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Kåarto
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Posted - 10/12/2018 : 22:39:15
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Originally posted by DALB
Can anyone help me locate where my ancestral grandfather, Knud Anderson, was born? There is a Knud Anderson born in Aurdal about this time – but he is married to someone else. Another person - also working on this extended family - had him as Knud A from Espelien – which is not correct –Knud Espelien is married to someone else also. The 1801 census was not available when he was working on this family.
Knud may have come from another parish.
There is a Lommen farm in Slidre – could he possibly have come from there? I checked the Lomen - Vestre Slidre records – but they are impossible to read.
Knud Anderson Liommen Lien, born Abt. 1765 in ?; died 16 Oct 1817 in Lien, Nord Aurdal, Valdres, Oppland, Norway 52 yrs. He married (1) Kiersti (Kirsten) Nielsdatter Lund Lien 10 Jul 1793 in Aurdal, Valdres, Oppland, Norway. She was born Bef. 01 Feb 1756 in Lund, Aurdal, Valdres, Oppland, Norway, and died 22 Jan 1850 in Lien, Nord Aurdal, Valdres, Oppland, Norway 94 yrs. She was the daughter of Niels Helgesen Ellingboe Lund and Maria Magdalena An
Lomen/Lommen in Slidre parish may be correct.
You're right, the records are very difficult to read |
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/12/2018 : 23:51:42
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In the list of godparents for the birth of Knud in 1867 in Lom on Tykket is a Lars Botolfsen. In a marriage record for this time period there is a witness Anders Bottolfs: residence Tyke. Could be the full name of the father of Knud born 1867 in Lom Oppland.
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And an Anders Bottolphsen soldier who married Kari Knudsdatter in 1750
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Original record see 16th Apr
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Edited by - AntonH on 11/12/2018 00:06:06 |
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DALB
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Posted - 11/12/2018 : 00:23:20
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I am inclined to think the research should be confined to the Valdres area.
At this time - did they include a section in the parish records of people coming into and out of the parish?
Both of the bondsmen at their marriage are related to the bride - one is her brother - the other her future brother-in-law.
What is the progress on the new Bygdebok for Nord Aurdal? and Sør Aurdal?
http://www.valdreshistorielag.no/bygdebok2.htm
The parish records of Nord-Aurdal are expected to be finished between 2015 and 2020. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 11/12/2018 : 22:11:06
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I am inclined to think the research should be confined to the Valdres area
So far that approach at least with the Ancestry.com data base has not been very fruitful.
For Nord Aurdal Ancestry has 1,393 baptism for 1765 plus/minus 2, none of them named Knu* with a father named Anders. There were a total of 60 named Knu* just none with a father named Anders.
For Vang 549 total none named Knu* father Anders
For Østre Slidre no data found on Ancestry.com
For Sør Aurdal no data found on Ancestry.com
For Etnedal no data found on Ancestry.com
For Vestre Slidre a total of 411 and these named Knu* father Anders.
Name: Knud Andersen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 3 jan 1765
Baptism Place: VestreSlidre , Opland, Norway
Father: Anders Knudsen
Mother: Ragnhild Taarstensdr
Name: Knud Andersen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 9 jun 1765
Baptism Place: Vestre Slidre, Opland, Norway
Father: Anders Gullicksen
Mother: Berit Evinsdr
Third record left page
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May have had a second Knud the next year
Name: Knud Andersen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 5 okt 1766 (5 Oct 1766)
Baptism Place: VestreSlidre , Opland, Norway
Father: Anders Gullicksen
Mother: Berit Evinsdr
Original record is second record down on right hand page. Reads Lomen Anders Gulliksen ? and Berti Evinsdtr barn Knud
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Name: Knud Andersen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 29 jun 1766
Baptism Place: VestreSlidre , Opland, Norway
Father: Anders Johannesen
Mother: Annae Taarstensdr
The original record for this Knud is found on the left page, second record from the bottom. Appears to refer to Lommen. Reads Lommen Anders Jhannesen ? and Anna Taarsdtr ? Knud (underlined). A tough read no doubt.
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Since Valdres is not a parish, I searched using the Family Search definition of the parishes included in Valdres. |
Edited by - AntonH on 12/12/2018 02:18:44 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/12/2018 : 00:01:18
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You will notice directly above that I did not give a Link to the original record for the Knud Andersen baptism date 3 Jan 1765. That is because I did not find his record or for that matter the records of the other two children baptized on that same date. Here is a link to the page containing the records for that part of January 1765.
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It should look like this
Jan 1
Hegge Sigrid Nielsdatter of Niels Gulbransen and Sigrid Andersdatter
Rogne Bendix Ollesen of Olle Bendixsen and Marit Pedersdatter
Jan 3
Ingrid Jorgersdatter of Jorger Halvorsen and Ingrid Knutsdatter
Knud Andersen of Anders Knudsen and Ragnhild Taarstensdatter
Jan 6
Roen Thore Østensdatter of Østen Andersen and Annae Taargersdatter
Slidre Thore Haldorsdatter of Haldor Johannesen and Marit Knutsdatter
Slidre Thore Ivarsdatter of Ivar Halstensen and Annae Halvardsdatter
Jan 13
Slidre Guroe Olsdatter of Ole Endresen and Sigrid Mikkelsdatter
However the page seems to be missing the names for 3 Jan 1765. You can look at my list above and see the names of all but those baptized on 3 Jan 1765 on the page I linked to. |
Edited by - AntonH on 12/12/2018 02:32:00 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/12/2018 : 00:22:58
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There is a confirmation record for a Knud Andersen Haavig in 1781 -1782. Left page number 4
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And perhaps his marriage in 1792.
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And he and his wife in the 1801 Census
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Edited by - AntonH on 12/12/2018 00:28:42 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/12/2018 : 01:44:12
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Here is the marriage of Anders Knudsen and Ragnhild Taarstensdatter (Thorstensdatter) in 1763
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Fourth record left page
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Edited by - AntonH on 12/12/2018 01:50:09 |
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DALB
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Posted - 12/12/2018 : 05:59:26
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Thank you - These look very promising. Reading the script is something else.
Of interest are the two Knud Andersen's with parents Anders Gillicksen and Berit Evinsdatter.
Knud and Kiersti had only two children - the first child was named Berit (? named for the father's mother?) - the second, Marit (which could be for her mother Maria) These girls married brothers and they or their families emigrated. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/12/2018 : 16:56:46
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Well that is a start. Looking at both of the records for the two Knuds, I would say that the farm name is Grovi or Garvig. or some version of the spelling as it was done when the record was made. Looks to me as if it is written as Groovig in the record in the Links. Here from Rygh on the farm in Lommen Vestre Slidre.
First for Grovi
29. Grovi. Navnet bruges ikke nu; kaldes hø`vé ligesom GN.
30. #8213; Groff 1578. Groffue 1592. 1595. 1604.1/1. Groffuj 1616.
1667. Grofvj 1723.1/1.
And then Garvig
16. Garvik. Udt. ga:`#322;vík. #8213; Gaarvig 1667. Garvig 1723.1/4.
*Garðvík, af garðr i Betydning af Gjerde eller Gaard. Foruden
her ogsaa i N. Odalen, i Seljord o. fl. St. Se Bd. III S. 201.
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Edited by - AntonH on 12/12/2018 17:08:35 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/12/2018 : 17:11:56
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So it is Grovi, Here is the marriage of Anders Gullicksen and Berit Evinsdatter in 1751. He is from the farm Grovi and she is from the farm Frigstad.
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Last Record on the left page
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Edited by - AntonH on 12/12/2018 17:15:55 |
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DALB
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Posted - 13/12/2018 : 05:51:34
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A great find. Thank you very much!
I am very comfortable in claiming this couple as my ancestors.
On the link to the marriage - I was not able to zero in on the entry for their marriage date.
Is there number on their entry?
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/12/2018 : 16:59:06
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The first link has this information as shown below.
Engagement date:08-05
Marriage date:10-21
The original record is of the Trolovede and the pertinent record is the last one on the left page. The marriage date is given on the far right side of the engagement record.
And the Marriage date in the original record is quite clearly "af 21 Oct "
So I am not sure what you mean by "I was not able to zero in on entry for their marriage date". Can you explain please are we looking at the same record?
Here is the original record link again
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Edited by - AntonH on 13/12/2018 17:59:14 |
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