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loismann
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Posted - 10/09/2019 :  00:36:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am looking for Andreas or Anders Hellesen who was serving in the merchant marines in Trondheim at least in the 1830's. I would like to find out more information about him. He died in 1839.

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Hopkins
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Posted - 10/09/2019 :  01:17:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your previous posting about Hellesen and the two pages of responses from 2016.
http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6457
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lyndal40
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Posted - 10/09/2019 :  02:52:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rereading the previous postings about this family courtesy of the link from Hopkins, it looks as if we left a lot to be discovered. I wonder if this is not Anders Hellesen. His birth year in this 1801 Census is listed as 1794. May or may not be correct. Also found by Kåre and JaneC back in 2016. Maybe a bit young and according to the Tree's found by Jane not the right one but maybe worth taking a harder look at him.

1801

The father in the 1801 Census fits the father in the marriage record for Widower Andreas Hellesen and Ane Iversdatter, posted by Einar but the birth year is off by ten years.

Andreas Hellesen
in the Norway Marriages, 1600s-1800s
Name: Andreas Hellesen
Age: 50 years
Gender: Male
Birth Date: Ca.1785
Previously Married: Yes
Marriage Date: 14 aug 1835
Marriage Place: Trondheim, Sor-Trondelag, Norway
Spouse: Ane Siversdr Svee
Spouse's Age: 34 years
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Birth Date: Ca.1801
Father: Helle Helgesen
Spouse's Father: Iver Svee

Edited by - lyndal40 on 10/09/2019 17:40:19
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lyndal40
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Posted - 10/09/2019 :  03:35:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did not find a Anders Hellesen in Trondenes , Troms, Norway in either 1784 or 1794 born to Helle Hegesen. Found other children born then ie Michel in 1784. However did find a Anders born in 1791. Transcriber spells it Aders but looks to me like Anders in the original record. Parents seem to match the 1801 Census.

Aders Ursin Hellesen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Aders Ursin Hellesen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 16 okt 1791 (16 Oct 1791)
Baptism Place: Trondenes , Troms, Norway
Father: Helle Hellesen
Mother: Anne Malona Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 127168
Reference ID: 2:J21R29

First Record left page

Link

Tree

The Family Tree posted by JaneC back in 1016 shows this Anders married in 1817 and having a child in 1829. Probably the correct one as one of the witnesses for the baptism of Maren Anna born Sept 29, 1829 is a Hartvig Hellesen also one of the chidden of Helle Hellesen and Maren Olsdatter .

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lyndal40
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Posted - 10/09/2019 :  21:58:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A little digging put the Anders Hellesen born 1791 to rest. In 1865 his wife Kirsten Nielsdatter was living with her duaghter and her husband. Thus this Anders Hellesen likely died before his wife not after. Making him an unlikely candidate to be the same Anders Hellesen widower who married Ane Iversdater in 1835.

1865 Per JaneC

Baptism of Ane Helena right hand page

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lyndal40
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Posted - 10/09/2019 :  23:06:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Back to square one. There are only three And* Hel* in the 1801 Census from the Northern counties.

Anders Hellesen born about 1782 living on his own in 1801 as a Tjenestfolk in Gildeskål, Nordland, Posted by Kåre in 2016.

b 1782

Anders Hellonsen born about 1794 living with his family in Opdal, Sør-Trøndelag. Father is Hellon Andersen.

b 1794

Probably married Marithe Evensdatter in 1818

#21

An Andreas Hellingsen born about 1783 serving as a Granader ved 1ste regiment in Trondheim. Father unknown. Living at Bersvend Veiten

b 1783

Edited by - lyndal40 on 10/09/2019 23:59:25
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lyndal40
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Posted - 11/09/2019 :  02:22:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a perhaps interesting connection. In the marriage record for Andreas Hellesen and Ane Iversdatter Svee the witness are Ole Mahle and Peder Myhre in Trondheim.

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In baptism record for Iver Andreas b 1835 one of the witnesses is Peder P Myhre

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And in the 1865 Census it seems as if Iver Andreas Hellesen is living in the same household as Peder Myhre

1865

Probably the Tree for Peder Myhre, also Peder Larsen. (not middle name with P?]

Geni.com

Family of Lars Pedersen Myhre in 1801

1801


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Edited by - lyndal40 on 11/09/2019 22:37:54
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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/09/2019 :  09:38:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In your other topic you asked for census for the area between 1820 and 1840. How about one taken in 1815?

This is the link to the first page of Rode 1:
SAT, Census 1815 for Trondheim (transcript), 1815, p. 321
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ft20110309640321
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lyndal40
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Posted - 11/09/2019 :  23:50:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In this Forum discussion the only candidate the OP was interested in is the soldier found in the 1801 Census living in Trondheim.

1801 Census for

Andreas Hellingsen b abt 1783

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Edited by - lyndal40 on 11/09/2019 23:55:52
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lyndal40
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Posted - 12/09/2019 :  02:43:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I still have not ruled out the Anders Hellesen from Gildeskål, Nordland found by Kåre back in 2016.

1801

However his father is not named Helge Helgesen.

Anders Helgesen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Anders Helgesen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 21 apr 1782
Baptism Place: Gildeskaal, Nordland, Norway
Father: Helge Johanssen
Mother: Maria Hansdr
FHL Film Number: 125096
Reference ID: 2:12F6SVT

The farm name on his baptism record is Mornes same as on the 1801 Census. Second column from the left, middle of the page

Link

Edited by - lyndal40 on 12/09/2019 05:50:46
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