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ToreL
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Posted - 13/02/2023 :  08:31:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The difference between maler and malermester is the same in Norwegian as in other languages, maler just means painter while a malermester -- master painter -- was a painter with the right to keep his own shop, keep employees and take assignments directly from customers.

All this was regulated by a painter's guild, and I once read that in the 18th and (at least early) 19th century in Norway this guild organised house painters as well as canvas painters.

Edited by - ToreL on 13/02/2023 08:45:41
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johanAronsen63
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Posted - 16/02/2023 :  19:51:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a question:

I've been trying to find pictures of anyone pertaining to my family. So, I've searched online seeing that I haven't been able to contact my cousins in Norway, as I haven't found many to contact... In any case, I was on the DIGITALMUSEUM website and found that there's a picture with the same name one of my removed cousins, named Rolf Øhrn (HENDRIKSEN) [B. March 30th, 1906 in Oslo, and D. May 11th, 1924]. He was the son of Carl Fredrik Hendriksen [B. March 16th, 1874, and D. July 3rd, 1937].

First of all, about the picture I found; HERE'S the source... https://digitaltmuseum.no/011013535529/nfb-07002 & https://digitaltmuseum.no/011013535528/nfb-07001

I wanted to know if there's any way to confirm that this was indeed the Rolf from my family tree born in 1906. The picture was taken in 1913, I believe, meaning that my Rolf would be 7 years old. It seems to correspond...


Secondly, his father Carl was apparently a painter. I have the same question about him that I previously asked on this thread; Was he a painter of houses, etc... OR was he a painter of canvases and visual arts? If you know, is there any way to see if his work can be found anywhere (or a reference to his work)?

Thanks...
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/02/2023 :  20:04:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rolf is listed as a måler also at the time of his death, but he is given Hendriksen as a surname.

There is another Rolf Ohrn (without Hendriksen added) b 1898 living in Oslo....
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ToreL
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Posted - 16/02/2023 :  21:44:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Doesn't the boy in the photo look more than 7 years old? My guess is it shows the 1998-boy. The photo was taken in June of 1913, and the 1998-boy was confirmed in May of that year. It was quite common to have children photographed in their new confirmation suit or dress.
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johanAronsen63
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Posted - 16/02/2023 :  21:55:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Rolf is listed as a måler also at the time of his death, but he is given Hendriksen as a surname.

There is another Rolf Ohrn (without Hendriksen added) b 1898 living in Oslo....




Yeah, I think that there's a link proves that the person in the pictures was not my Rolf Øhrn (b. 1906) but was the one born in 1898. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000002384574

It's a confirmation for the 1898 Rolf Øhrn from less than a month before the pictures.
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johanAronsen63
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Posted - 16/02/2023 :  21:58:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

Doesn't the boy in the photo look more than 7 years old? My guess is it shows the 1998-boy. The photo was taken in June of 1913, and the 1998-boy was confirmed in May of that year. It was quite common to have children photographed in their new confirmation suit or dress.



Yes, I think you're right. Was that surname somewhat common? If not, then isn't there a possibility that there's a connection between both families? I'm going to look into this idea.
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johanAronsen63
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Posted - 16/02/2023 :  22:00:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also, what can you tell me about Karl's (Rolf's father) brother, Gustav Adolf Øhrn Hendriksen (family musician, born in 1872 and dead in 1954...?
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ToreL
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Posted - 16/02/2023 :  23:09:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Örn/Ørn/Øhrn/Øren is not very common, but not very rare, either. People with that name don't have to be related. In some cases it indicates Swedish heritage. Örn means eagle in Swedish (as well as in Norwegian) and was used ad a soldier's name. (To better distinguish all the Ohlssons and Nielssons from each other.) Many non-related Swedes were assigned this name during military service, and held on to it afterwords. The other origin of the name is a geographical formation, a bank of sediments deposited along a river. Øyr is the Norwegian name for this; Øyri or Øyra in determinate form, and people living or keeping a farm at such a place could use it as a family name. When the Danish priest wrote it down in the church book, it usually ended up as Øren or even Ørn. I believe that was the origin in this case. This variant or Ørn is more common in Western norway (or indicate Western Norwegian heritage) with strong rivers down from the mountains depositing large amounts of sand as they approach the sea.
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johanAronsen63
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Posted - 05/03/2023 :  05:00:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

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Knut Bryn was a contributor to this discussion at Slektsforum in 2009. In 2010 he wrote a dissertation on recruitment for Årdal copper works.. Copper mining at Årdal was discontinued in 1734, whereupon most of the workers relocated to Kongsberg. Twenty years later there was new activity for some years, but in the end 17 new workers left Årdal for Kongsberg. (Page 71 of the dissertation.) The dissertation mentions some workers with the Øren surname, but I haven't been following this discussion closely enough to determine how relevant they are. (For the past week or more I have ended up at Plesk every time I tried to access this site.)
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Do you have any idea where I can contact him?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/03/2023 :  23:10:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lots of Knut Bryn listed here: www.1881.no
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johanAronsen63
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Posted - 05/03/2023 :  23:33:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Where could I find the digital image for this record: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/27/pa00000000554023
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 06/03/2023 :  00:15:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by johanAronsen63

Where could I find the digital image for this record: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/27/pa00000000554023


According to the he find source functionality at Digitalarkivet, the source hasn't been scanned.

Edited by - ToreL on 06/03/2023 00:17:33
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ToreL
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Posted - 06/03/2023 :  00:30:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I suggest you ask Årdal sogelag if they have Knut Bryn's contact info. Their email address is listed on the front page of their website.

Edited by - ToreL on 06/03/2023 00:34:56
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johanAronsen63
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Posted - 29/04/2023 :  02:54:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have found a source from a "Kristianssand newspaper" from 1894 that describes a man, named Mr. Øhrn, who was 75 and his wife 72. It seems to me that they're talking about Ole Nielsen Øhrn (b. 1820 and d. 1902) who resided in Kristiansand at the same time, I believe. His wife was Laurine Martine Gundersdatter, and the new information that I found after translating the text was that I believe it says that my ancestor, Ole, had parents that were Danish. Although, I can't seem to find any correlation between the Øhrn family and Denmark other than the fact that Ole's mother, Karen Lovise Nilsdr Eliesen, whom we've been trying to find (without success) might have been Danish (even though this is only speculation as there aren't any records so far that confirm that she was born in Norway and we don't know who her parents were). This is the source: https://www.nb.no/items/90711eb81433cf47b9164eb7f62d20e4?page=1&searchText=%22%C3%B8hrn%22

Also, here's another similar story from a newspaper from Oslo: https://www.nb.no/items/1bb609d178088f77d724ff02d0f9ac9b?page=1&searchText=%22%C3%B8hrn%22

Any thoughts?

Edited by - johanAronsen63 on 29/04/2023 03:02:41
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/04/2023 :  16:05:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, technically, all Norwegians were subject to Danish rule until 1814, so might be considered Danish?

A lot of Danish records are avaliable online at familysearch. One could certainly look.

The fire (branden) in Kristiansand 1892 that made the family move to Kristiania made the New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/1892/07/10/archives/large-fire-in-norway-over-350-houses-destroyed-in-the-town-of.html

Here is a Karen Lovise daughter of Niels Eliasen b 1786 Copenhagen:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYGV-Q4F

Karen Lovise birth / baptism #135:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118439#156082,26129871

Karen Lovise Eliasen confirmation #89 right page near middle 1800:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21836101#421265,77457029

Here is the family in the 1787 census:
All information on selected person

Year: FT-1787 Source reference: 103
Cadastre/Address: Lille Kongensgade 88
Household No: 2
Name: Karen Lovise Gender: K
Age: 1 Civil status: Ugift
Position in household: Deres Barn
No of marriage: 0
Parish: Øster Kvarter District: København (Staden)
Shire: København
Source entry No: C1091 Record No.: 1237
All members of the household

Name: Age: Married?: Pos. in household: Occupation: BirTD place:
Niels Eliasen 37 Gift Hosbonde Skibs Tømmermand
Anne Povels Datter 34 Gift Hans Kone
Birte Kirstine 4 Ugift Deres Barn
Karen Lovise 1 Ugift Deres Barn

And from the 1801 census:
All information on selected person

Year: FT-1801 Source reference:
Cadastre/Address: Matr. 319
Household No: 1416
Name: Karen Lovise Eliasen
Age: 15 Civil status: Ugift
Occupation: Moder A.SCHADEs
Parish: Christianshavn Kvarter District: København (Staden)
Shire: København Place name: Christianshavns Kvarter
Source entry No: A5035 Record No.: 7164
All members of the household

Name: Age: Married?: Pos. in household: Occupation: BirTD place:
Anne ELIASENs Enke SCHADEsDATTER 48 Enke Uldspinder
Birthe Christine Eliasen 16 Ugift Uldspinder
Karen Lovise Eliasen 15 Ugift Moder A.SCHADEs

And the parents marriage in 1781:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FKSK-BZS

third marriage up from bottom of right page:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=17119863#158942,26711272

A death of a son Christian 8 days old of a Niels Eliasen #63 (2nd entry on page):
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=17119855#158829,26684328

A similar search for a Karen Lovise in the Swedish databases at familysearch.org found no examples. Plenty of Karen within the birth years but no Karen Lovise.

Edited by - jkmarler on 01/05/2023 11:09:59
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