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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9216 Posts |
 Posted - 25/05/2014 : 17:22:56
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Last Group, the informaton generated also includes the parents. I have left that information out to save space but it is readily avaliable if needed.
I notice that the name Kittel is quite regional and is found in the Aust-Agder, Telemark region.
Record Information on Record Saved Remove
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Birth, Marriage, & Death
Name: John Kittilsen
Birth 9 Jun 1833
Baptism 30 Jun 1833, , Sauland, Telemark, Norway
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Birth, Marriage, & Death
Name: Johannes Kittelsen
Birth 16 Nov 1833
Baptism 8 Dec 1833, Oyestad,Aust-Agder,Norway
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Birth, Marriage, & Death
Name: John Kittelsen
Birth 7 Jun 1833
Baptism 16 Jun 1833, Fyresdal, Telemark, Norway
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Birth, Marriage, & Death
Name: John Kittilsen
Birth 16 Sep 1832
Baptism 14 Oct 1832, , Vraadal, Telemark, Norway
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Birth, Marriage, & Death
Name: John Kittelsen
Birth 9 Dec 1832
Baptism 17 Dec 1832, Froland,Aust-Agder,Norway
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Edited by - AntonH on 25/05/2014 17:25:04 |
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Carrie B
Medium member
USA
77 Posts |
Posted - 27/07/2014 : 19:39:03
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Hello Michelle,
There are a few mentions of Bard Jonson and sons in a book called “A Century of Urban Life: The Norwegians in Chicago Before 1930” by Odd S. Lovoll. I’m not sure if this is new information for you but thought I’d pass it along.
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Anders Larson Flage, taking the name Andrew Larson, was one of the prominent men in the Norwegian community. Larson in 1840 wrote back to his home community of Voss to relate that when he, his wife Soffie, and four of their six children and a stepson had come to Chicago in 1839. They had moved in with Baard Johnson Rogne, an emigrant of 1837. The large family then moved in with Per Ivarson Undi whose wife Anna was from Voss.
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Andrew B. Johnson, who at age fourteen in 1837 had accompanied his father Baard Johnson (Rogne), also achieved success mainly in the lumber trade.
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The robust construction activity and the great demand it created made the lumber business profitable. From the early 1840s the two brothers John B. and Andrew B. Johnson, sons of Baard Johnson (Rogne), ran a prosperous lumberyard by the North Branch on Kingsbury Street. It was destroyed in the Great Fire in 1871.
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The Norwegian clergy, whether Lutheran or not, attacked the saloons with a vengeance. Andrew B. Johnson wrote home that his father, Baard Johnson (Rogne), “who at Voss had had some liking for alcohol,” had joined a Norwegian temperance society formed in the early 1850s.
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Mlysmith
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 07/08/2014 : 18:33:28
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Carrie, thank you so much for the info. I'd seen it on Vivian White's blog but it's always good to know the source.
I've been wrestling with whether or not to spend the $20 to get a copy of his death certificate hoping maybe it would open up some new possibilities but I was looking at the website for Chicago Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates and since he died before 1908 it will only have things I already know (Name, Date of Death, Place of Death, Cause of Death, age and funeral and burial information) but not his parents or city of birth. It's possible that his marriage to Gessine Torkilson might have that info but I'm not terribly hopeful. I will do some checking though to make sure. . .The other issue is I'm almost sure John Gettleson is the americanization of his name but there are a lot of things it could potentially be and I'm not sure how to narrow it down, you know?
I spent a little time last night going through the passenger records on this site for 1850 since that's when he arrived in the US. I came up with a couple possibilities but I'm not quite sure how to use the info to confirm or discredit.
Here's one possibility: http://www.norwayheritage.com/udvandret.asp?type=passengerlist&ps=7074&jo=50
And another but this could be anybody. . http://www.norwayheritage.com/udvandret.asp?type=passengerlist&ps=58120&jo=74
and finally not a strong candidate but maybe worth checking? http://www.norwayheritage.com/udvandret.asp?type=passengerlist&ps=11402&jo=773
The fact that most folks are so proud of where their home city and it seems to be common to share it makes me wonder if maybe he was trying to escape or hide something from his past. Another question I have is, I know that confirmation was an important process in being considered an adult. If he arrived here in 1850, he would have been about 15, so would he have have been through the process? Also, at what age would boys who weren't farming typically start the apprentice process, I'm assuming that since he was a sailmaker he probably would have had to train under someone, and would he have been fully trained at 15 or is it more likely that maybe he trained in the US?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/08/2014 : 22:05:28
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One thing you can do is study all the other people on the same list. For instance, these are the people around John age 15:
Terje Terjesen 28 m man
Kittel 26 m
Aslak 19
Ole 18 m
John 15 m
Osmund 9 m
Ole Andersen 23 m
And each one of the transcriptions tells which port they left from which might give you a general feel for where they came from, because certain ports served certain regions more frequently. |
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Mlysmith
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 26/08/2014 : 21:00:56
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| All of a sudden summer is over and I'm back to classes and getting my kids ready to go back to school and I'm really no further on this except for a couple weeks ago a distant cousin I didn't know I had contacted me, she was looking for info on John Gettleson too. She doesn't have any more info than I have but she did kindly send me some great photos of him and his children. Her Grandfather was John's Grandson and remembers him talking John being from Bergen, it's just word of mouth but it does help. At least now I know I'm not alone in my search to unravel his history. Thank you all so much for your help so far. . .hopefully soon I can return the favor. |
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Mlysmith
Starting member
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Posted - 30/12/2014 : 16:39:34
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| I do have a little new information but I'm not entirely sure of it's validity. . .my new found cousin sent me some photos and some information her Grandfather (a Grandson of John Gettleson through his daughter Jennie) had compiled. One of the pieces was a hand drawn family tree that notes that "John Gettleson came to Chicago in 1844 from Bergen, Norway". Also according to information copied from the marker at Graceland Cemetery John was born Sept 7, 1835. None of this lines up with anything you guys have posted so I'm still scratching my head and trying to figure out what approach to take next (or maybe better yet I should just move on to another section of tree and come back to this). |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2014 : 17:51:02
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| If those two dates, the migration year and the 1835 birth date are true, then its almost certain that he came with his parents or other relatives. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9216 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2014 : 23:42:17
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Here is a family in Illinois, not Chicago. All of the family including Gunder born abt 1843 were born in Norway. Not any other Joh* in the 1850 Census that fit.
NAME: John Ganderson
AGE: 15
BIRTH YEAR: abt 1835
BIRTHPLACE: Norway
HOME IN 1850: Manchester, Boone, Illinois
GENDER: Male
FAMILY NUMBER: 114
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Holgar Ganderson 52
Cole Ganderson 19
John Ganderson 15
Caroline Ganderson 11
Lucy Ganderson 9
Gunder Ganderson 7 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9216 Posts |
Posted - 31/12/2014 : 00:03:52
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Well we may be chasing the wrong horse but here is Helge with son Gunder in 1860. Rest of the family belongs to daughter Lucy, I would assume.
NAME: Helge Gunderson
AGE IN 1860: 61
BIRTH YEAR: abt 1799
BIRTHPLACE: Norway
HOME IN 1860: Madison, Winneshiek, Iowa
GENDER: Male
POST OFFICE: Decorah
VALUE OF REAL ESTATE: View image
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Helge Gunderson 61
Gunder Gunderson 17
Robert Thompson 30
Lucy Thompson 35
Thom Thompson 11
Ann Thompson 9
Clarinda Thompson 6
Ole Thompson 6/12
Betsey Thompson 3
Probably not a useful line to follow. I think this is John using the Helgeson name in 1860 and in 1870. And according to a family tree he died in 1874.
NAME: John Helgeson
AGE IN 1860: 25
BIRTH YEAR: abt 1835
BIRTHPLACE: Norway
HOME IN 1860: Madison, Winneshiek, Iowa
GENDER: Male
POST OFFICE: Decorah
VALUE OF REAL ESTATE: View image
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
John Helgeson 25
Ellen Helgeson 26
Sarah C Helgeson 3
Thom Helgeson 3/12
Lucy Helgeson 20
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9216 Posts |
Posted - 31/12/2014 : 02:41:38
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Here is the only Joh* born in Hordaland on Sept 7, 1835. There were only 12 born on that date in all of Norway. None were Joh* G*
NAME: Johannes Baardsen
GENDER: Male
BIRTH DATE: 7 sep 1835
BAPTISM DATE: 11 okt 1835 (11 Oct 1835)
BAPTISM PLACE: Korskirken, Bergen, Hordaland, Norway
FATHER: Baard Olsen
MOTHER: Birthe Rasmusdr
FHL FILM NUMBER: 123721
REFERENCE ID: 2:XH6VFF |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 31/12/2014 : 10:32:02
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Second Group
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Birth, Marriage, & Death
Name: John Kittilsen
Birth 7 Sep 1833
Baptism 22 Sep 1833, , Sondeled, Aust-Agder, Norway
Birth date is the same, the year differs from 1835.
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Søndeled in Risør, Parish register (official) nr. A 1 (1816-1838), Birth and baptism records 1833, page 65.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9842&idx_id=9842&uid=ny&idx_side=-67
I didn't find a migration record through 1848 for him in Søndelid or Risør and so far no confirmation record in Søndelid still to check Risør.
Risør is a port so unlikely this John would have sailed from Bergen but you don't know until you know. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 31/12/2014 : 10:48:48
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This is a recap:
1860 census Illinois, Cook county, Chicago:
Name: John Gittisan
Age in 1860: 24
Birth Year: abt 1836
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1860: Chicago Ward 6, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Male
Post Office: Chicago
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name Age
John Gittisan 24
Legney Gittisan 26
Frank Gittisan 1
1870 Census Illinois, Cook county, Chicago:
John Gittleson M 36 Norway
Sarah Gittleson F 38 Norway
Frank Gittleson M 11 Illinois
Anna Gittleson F 4 Illinois
Carrie Gittleson F 6 Illinois
Jennie Gittleson F 2 Illinois
Carrie Johnson F 24 Norway
Household ID: 1828 , Line Number: 1 , Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) , Affiliate Publication Number: M593 , GS Film number: 000545705 , Digital Folder Number: 004262752 , Image Number: 00272
"United States Census, 1870," index and images, FamilySearch transcription link(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M676-LXP : John Gittleson, Illinois, United States; citing p. 269, family 1828, NARA microfilm publication M593, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 545,705.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9216 Posts |
Posted - 31/12/2014 : 23:32:05
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It is interesting and somewhat surprising , that John and family are the only people that pop up in a search of the 1860 US Census when I search under Git* and Illinois and born in Norway. . If I broaden the search to all of US, I only add a couple in Iowa.
NAME: Helm Gitsleson
AGE IN 1860: 33
BIRTH YEAR: abt 1827
BIRTHPLACE: Norway
HOME IN 1860: Marion, Clayton, Iowa
GENDER: Male
POST OFFICE: Gern
VALUE OF REAL ESTATE: View image
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Helm Gitsleson 33
Goonela Gitsleson 30
Peter Gitsleson 4
Sigra Gitsleson 3
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Hit the wall--John Gittleson, Chicago
