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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  04:04:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the marriage of Herman Ludvig's parents. #14. Interesting father was from Thune...

Kildeinformasjon: Østfold fylke, Onsøy, Ministerialbok nr. 3 (1841-1860), Ekteviede 1844, side 258.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5751&idx_id=5751&uid=ny&idx_side=-191
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vvassar
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  04:04:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I honestly feel like a lot of the stories are fanciful fill-ins. I've spent this evening trying to determine where Klara went after being taken in by the Ecklunds, but I have no information on where they may have been located. "Clara Eklund, Ecklund, Michigan" isn't turning anything up for me.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  04:32:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe her in 1894 Michigan state census?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHKZ-7FV
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  09:38:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vvassar

Great information, thank you! I guess Onsoy technically no longer exists?




Fredrikstad Mekaniske Verkstd (FMV) closed 1987 and the property was sold 1998. The New owners attemt to revitalize the ara.

A small slidshow of old pictures from the ship yard link

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vvassar
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  13:37:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Servant?! Oh my god.


quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Maybe her in 1894 Michigan state census?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHKZ-7FV

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vvassar
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  13:49:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Clara married her first husband in 1898. William Erickson from Menominee. Apparently it was rumored that he was a saloon keeper. They had two kids. She was married to my grandfather by 1904. She left us a note that said her first husband had died in the influenza epidemic in the early 1900s.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  14:49:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vvassar

Servant?! Oh my god.


quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Maybe her in 1894 Michigan state census?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHKZ-7FV





I don't know the situation here but some people back in the day adopted or fostered children for household and farm labor.
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JaneC
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  17:06:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Feature about a Cold Water School girl:
http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/06/09/in-the-archives-a-coldwater-doll/

Would be interesting to obtain papers from the state probate court (seemingly Eric had done that) and from the school. Might throw light not only on Clara's first years and placement, but also on the fates of Marenius and Herman (if these are unknown).


Edited by - JaneC on 14/08/2015 17:26:56
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vvassar
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  17:46:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found the email for the current department holding those records. I will email them later today.

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Originally posted by JaneC

Feature about a Cold Water School girl:
http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/06/09/in-the-archives-a-coldwater-doll/

Would be interesting to obtain papers from the state probate court (seemingly Eric had done that) and from the school. Might throw light not only on Clara's first years and placement, but also on the fates of Marenius and Herman (if these are unknown).



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JaneC
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USA
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  18:49:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Smart move - in most genealogy projects there are records that are available but not online. Also, do you have originals of Clara's two marriage records and her death record? Do her census or other reveal whether she ever filed for U.S. citizenship? Do you have travel record (passenger manifest or passport) from the time she (supposedly) traveled to Norway? These might tell more about her and her family. Wonder about when and how Severin and Klara connected - why Marenius and Herman not mentioned. Did they die young? Etc

In very quick search I didn't find the answers.

Iron River, Michigan, is a small place. If there's a local historical society, some volunteer might be willing to search local newspaper archives. Social news columns might tell of visits from her brothers, or the Eklunds, might add nuance to what you already know.

Edited by - JaneC on 14/08/2015 18:55:04
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vvassar
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  19:56:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, they emailed me back and want solid proof of lineage to get those records. They want birth, marriage, death certificates. I have maybe 1/4 of those documents, so they will take a while to obtain. I do not hold any originals of Clara's records.

I have been banking heavily on online research for this project and had not been having any time-laden trouble until now. The number of digitized records is astounding, really. I am glad I waited this long to attempt a project such as this.

quote:
Originally posted by JaneC

Smart move - in most genealogy projects there are records that are available but not online. Also, do you have originals of Clara's two marriage records and her death record? Do her census or other reveal whether she ever filed for U.S. citizenship? Do you have travel record (passenger manifest or passport) from the time she (supposedly) traveled to Norway? These might tell more about her and her family. Wonder about when and how Severin and Klara connected - why Marenius and Herman not mentioned. Did they die young? Etc

In very quick search I didn't find the answers.

Iron River, Michigan, is a small place. If there's a local historical society, some volunteer might be willing to search local newspaper archives. Social news columns might tell of visits from her brothers, or the Eklunds, might add nuance to what you already know.


Edited by - vvassar on 15/08/2015 00:30:18
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JaneC
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  21:12:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow - that was a fast response! And apparently the answer is yes, you can have the records as long as you demonstrate the relationship. The originals of Clara's records might prove interesting - for example, witnesses to her marriages. Maybe we can redouble effort to find online before you pay out fees (sorry to say this long weekend holds little time for me though). Yes plenty of online resources but often these set up the big picture only and sometimes with gaps even in that.

Wonder if Eric Horton can help. To email him click his username.

Edited by - JaneC on 14/08/2015 21:13:33
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vvassar
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Posted - 14/08/2015 :  22:32:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is a picture I have of Klara. https://instagram.com/p/6YJZdypOR4/
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 15/08/2015 :  03:44:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a usgenweb site which has an indexed version of Menominee county marriages. Might be worth a search:

http://menominee.genwebsite.net/
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 15/08/2015 :  04:20:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The brother Severin Graham in 1910:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLR8-1BH

In 1920:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZQF-YGK

Lennora Graham in 1900:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS9D-BF6

Lenora Graham in 1880:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWS1-X9F

Edited by - jkmarler on 15/08/2015 04:48:19
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