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tlwright65
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 Posted - 20/03/2007 : 04:27:42
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Hello! I'm now looking for information on Martinus Knudsen Fosnes b abt 1780 d 1860 married to Petrine Nilsdtr b abt 1780 d 1844. They had 8 children (4 I can find info on). As far as I can tell, most of them were born in Gloppen, Sogn Og Fjordane. Here is the info I have:
Lasse Martinusen Fosnes - no info other than what my grandmother gave me.
Nils Martinusen Fosnes - same as Lasse.
Martinus Martinusen b abt 1809
Marthe Martinusdtr b abt 1815
Amund Martinusen b 29 aug 1819 d 29 aug 1819
Amund Martinusen b 13 aug 1820 d 2 oct 1884 (in Montevideo, Chippewa, Minnesota)
Simon Peder Martinusen b 7 jul 1823 (I believe he died in Minnesota but I'm not sure)
Rakkel Martinusdtr b 18 dec 1829.
I think some of them came to the US in or around 1867. (This was according to a 1930 census for Amund Martinusen's son, Kristoffer (Christopher) who was born on 2 jul 1862 in Gloppen)
According to a 1910 census, Christopher came to the US in 1866. So, it must be 1866 or 1867. He was a child, so his parents should have been the ones to bring him!
I did look on Digitalarkivet and found the birth record for 3 of Amund's children and found them in the 1865 census for Norway.
If anyone can find anything, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!! |
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Edited by - tlwright65 on 20/03/2007 04:53:19 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/03/2007 : 11:54:06
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There appear to be other people also doing work on this family line. Check in the WorldConnect databases at RootsWeb.com and in the World Family Tree CD's of Brøderbund Software (Family Tree Maker). The name spellings are quite varied so use Fosnes as a starting point for your search there.
My own guess is that Martinius Knudsen and Petrine Nilsdtr may have both come from Norddal area of Møre og Romsdal but later have strong family connections or personal history that linked them to the Fosnæs farm in Stryn, Innvik, Sogn og Fjordane.
See the head of household on the Fosnæs farm in 1865 (notice especially his birthplace and that of the other man who MIGHT be one of his younger brothers) -
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=60&filnamn=f61448&gardpostnr=6&sokefelt=skjul
The parish records for Gloppen are available on LDS microfilm for years as early 1686). Also a published book you could look for - "Soga om Gloppen og Breim", by Per Sandal. If they came from Norddal area of Møre og Romsdal, the parish records as early as 1736 are available on LDS microfilm and you could check for the book(s) "Norddal bygdebøker", 4? volumes by Leonhard Tafjord. |
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Hopkins
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tlwright65
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Posted - 20/03/2007 : 15:16:10
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| Thank you Hopkins! I will look on WorldConnect too. I also had that census in the first reply you sent me. I think my grandmother had him as Martinus Knudsen's son, since he would have been 29 when he had him! As far as I can tell, yes, Martinus and Petrine Nilsdtr came from Norddal. Thanks for the information, it's appreciated! |
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tlwright65
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Posted - 20/03/2007 : 15:29:36
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| I couldn't find anything on WorldConnect. Where did you see it? |
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tlwright65
Senior member
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Posted - 20/03/2007 : 15:45:15
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| I found someone else with the same line, but it doesn't look like they're working it. Is there any information on the Lasse Martinusen and Nils Martinusen anywhere? Working on Digitarkivet, I couldn't find them. I even tried the 1801 census but I couldn't find anything. (I know they wouldn't have been on it, but I was hoping about their parents!) |
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tlwright65
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Posted - 20/03/2007 : 16:35:09
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| Ok, I found out for sure when they left Norway. They departed from Bergen May 2, 1867 and arrived in Quebec June 18, 1867 on the ship Helvetia. Why would there be such a difference in age for Amund Martinussen? I've always had his birthdate as 1820, but in 1867 the departure showed he was age 40. In the 1865 Digitalarkivet census, it showed his birthdate as 1820. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/03/2007 : 17:27:33
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Not everything is online and I'm sure that many things will NEVER be online. I gave you suggestions for other avenues of research, especially for the earlier generations.
Impossible to answer "why" questions.
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/03/2007 : 17:54:04
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In the 1867 Utflytte record Hopkins found, he is listed as age 46. That along with the 1865 census, 1920 seems like the correct date. Finding his baptism in the original church record would give you his actual birthdate along with parents and godparents information.
The passengers lists were done for customs records only, they were done quickly and alot of time by someone of another nationality so there are alot of name, age, etc. differences. No one ever thought that family history researchers would be poring over them a 140 years later.  In a 1879 Quebec passenger list, my great grandmother was traveling with her sister named Jønetta, her name on the list was very clearly spelled Zanita. |
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tlwright65
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Posted - 20/03/2007 : 18:07:11
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| I guess it would be impossible to answer "why" questions! I don't even know why I asked that. Thank Jo Anne for pointing that out. I did print it, but it's in the queue right now waiting. I guess won't have to change the birthdate for Amund. Was Norddal spelled Nordahlen back in the 1801 census? That's what I was looking under, but couldn't find anything. I'll keep looking! Thanks for the help! |
Tami |
Edited by - tlwright65 on 20/03/2007 18:20:31 |
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tlwright65
Senior member
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Posted - 22/03/2007 : 01:46:20
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| I am having absolutely no luck finding a Lasse Martinussen. I looked under Lasse, Lars, Martinussen, Martinusen, Marthinusen, Marthinussen...etc....Is there anyone that can help me look? I did finally find Nils Martinussen.....but as far as I can tell, no Lasse. I looked in More Og Fjordane and in Sogn Og Fjordane. Am I really missing something? |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 22/03/2007 : 13:33:49
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What database do you expect to find him in?
You know when he was born?
You know where he was born?
You know he didn't leave Norway before the 1865 census?
You know he didn't die before the 1865 census?
Have you studied LDS microfilm #0124860?
There is no "More Og Fjordane". |
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tlwright65
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Posted - 22/03/2007 : 15:00:42
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| I'm sorry, I was typing so fast I put More Og Fjordane, I meant More Og Romsdal. I looked in the 1801 census, 1865 census for above and Sogn Og Fjordane. I was searching birth records for those 2 plus death records. No, I haven't studied that LDS microfilm yet, I'm going to the History center today. The one closest to my house is only open on Thursdays. I was hoping to find him in digitalarkivet. Unfortuntely, I have no idea when he was born. I just started looking in the earliest dates that the parishes had since brothers and sisters were born from 1808 to 1826. If he was born before then, I know I can't find him on the internet. |
Tami |
Edited by - tlwright65 on 22/03/2007 15:04:08 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/03/2007 : 15:52:57
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Hi,
I think i have found them. Marthinius Knudsen d. April 9. 1860 became "Føderaadsmann" when he left over Fosnes in Opstryn /Upper Stryn to his oldest son Marthinius, also Knud lived on the farm, both married in 1865 census Stryn /Stryen. Confirm records Innvik 1766-1843: Marthinius 1822, Knud 1826, Nils 1832, Amund 1836, Simon 1838, Rakel 1840.
Petrine Nilsdatter died Des. 28. 1844.
Both son´s Marthinius and Knud was born in Nordhal /Nordadal /Nordhdalen parish likely in Møre og Romsdal so it seems they was coming from there since you also mentioned Møre og Romsdal, two Marthinus Knudsen are listed on 1801 census Nordhdalen, both unmarried, age 24 and 22.
Fosnes in upper Stryn is likely next to lake Strynsvatnet. Stryn was a part of Innvik parish until 1863.
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tlwright65
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Posted - 22/03/2007 : 16:15:32
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| Thank you, Kåre, I really appreciate you helping! The death date for Martinus Knudsen is close. I found him in the 1860 death records for Stryn. I didn't find Petrine, so that information was great! As far as I can tell, all the children of Martinus and Petrine were born between 1808 and 1826. I found Amond b 13 aug 1819, Amund b 13 nov 1820, Simon b 7 jul 1823 and Rakkel b 18 dec 1826 all in Oppstryn. Thank you for looking into this! |
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