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jkmarler
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 10/10/2014 : 14:22:27
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Originally posted by ritland
Hi, John Ritland is my grandfather (father of my father).... His middle initial is M but I cannot find the full middle name. It could be Mark, which is my middle name.... Kermit Ritland
Hi, Reverend John Ritland, your grandfather, was born 04 June 1884 in Elroy, Juneau, Wisconsin, USA. On his birth record he is called "Unnamed Male Twin." Two such births appear - obviously the other is for his brother Owen. You can order copies at http://www.wisconsinhistory.org. As you probably know, in the USA we don't have online access to see most birth records (in contrast to the fabulous Norwegian archives). So it is impossible to know immediately whether any later amendment was made to the record, and not noted online. Common sense suggests the typist would use the amendment, though, when posting online - hence my guess is, there is none.
In a Who's Who Directory of the era, he is named John Ritland. In the records posted in this thread he is John Ritland. In the contemporary newspaper accounts of him, he is Rev. John Ritland (presiding at weddings, etc). On his tombstone in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, is inscribed the name "JOHN RITLAND."
If he had a middle initial, I have not seen it.... |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/10/2014 : 14:53:45
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Found it.... an example of the M: in a newspaper article about the 75th anniversary of Dodgeville Lutheran Church (1930, Dodgeville, Wisconsin) is mentioned former pastor "J. M. Ritland" of Spring Valley, Minnesota.
Places to search in addition to possible amended birth record:
Marriage to Julia Constance Nelson ca 1920
St Olaf yearbooks and records
United Norwegian Church Seminary yearbooks and records
Ordination record
World War II draft registration
US passport application
Death record (but, obit and tombstone don't use the M)
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/10/2014 : 15:56:03
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Ole Johannesen, his parents and sibling in 1865.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/10/2014 : 16:00:42
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Rev John Ritland was not baptized with a middle name. His given name at baptism was "Johannes" and his twin Owen as "Ouer". They were baptized at home and the record was in a church register named East Lemonweir according to the ELCA baptism database at archives.com.
Church historical highlights:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wijuneau/LemnwrChurch.html |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/10/2014 : 16:39:04
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So he is named, as would be customary in traditional Norway, after his father's father. Owen is likely or could be an Anglicization of their mother's father's name.
One wonders, where does your M come from, Kermit?
I wonder if John was sometimes known as John Moseby Ritland. (Moseby being a name on his mother's side. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/10/2014 : 17:21:08
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| His mother's name is rendered in various family trees as Gunhild Marie Osmundson or Mosby. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/10/2014 : 18:11:50
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In 1865 census at Mosby, Oddernes, Vest-Agder is
Ouen Osmundsen age 48
Gurine Olsdatter 44
with daughter Marie age 5
Is that the family on the trees? In US records wife of Ole J Ritland is called by Marie...
So far Kermit, I haven't found any additional mentions of middle initial M. Can you trace where you have heard it or read it? The Dodgeville newspaper article 1930 is an iffy source - and Jackie has shown John's parents did not give him a middle name. |
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ritland
Starting member
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Posted - 10/10/2014 : 22:24:26
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| Einar, yes I have that information off of a pedigree on ancestry.com (plotnikoff family tree). Great-great grandfather! I was wondering what Rev. John Ritland's middle name was. Starts with an M. kermit |
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ritland
Starting member
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Posted - 10/10/2014 : 22:29:26
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| Whoa! I just noticed all the comments above, just from the past day. What a crew of sleuths! |
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ritland
Starting member
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Posted - 10/10/2014 : 22:34:00
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I don't know why my parents picked Mark. I do have a pedigree dating back to great great grandparents and yes Mosby was common on John's mother side.
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Originally posted by JaneC
So he is named, as would be customary in traditional Norway, after his father's father. Owen is likely or could be an Anglicization of their mother's father's name.
One wonders, where does your M come from, Kermit?
I wonder if John was sometimes known as John Moseby Ritland. (Moseby being a name on his mother's side.
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ritland
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/10/2014 : 04:53:21
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A genealogy that mentions Ouen Osmundsen Mosby, here
Click on the blue underlined years - they are links to church book records.
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ritland
Starting member
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Posted - 11/10/2014 : 08:13:46
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Yes that is where the rumour of the middle name started. Cannot trust newspapers
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Originally posted by JaneC
Found it.... an example of the M: in a newspaper article about the 75th anniversary of Dodgeville Lutheran Church (1930, Dodgeville, Wisconsin) is mentioned former pastor "J. M. Ritland" of Spring Valley, Minnesota.
Places to search in addition to possible amended birth record:
Marriage to Julia Constance Nelson ca 1920
St Olaf yearbooks and records
United Norwegian Church Seminary yearbooks and records
Ordination record
World War II draft registration
US passport application
Death record (but, obit and tombstone don't use the M)
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ritland
Starting member
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Posted - 11/10/2014 : 08:31:02
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I tried to reply but there is this spam thing that blocks me out for house. It was that newspaper article that propagated the myth about the middle m.
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Originally posted by JaneC
Found it.... an example of the M: in a newspaper article about the 75th anniversary of Dodgeville Lutheran Church (1930, Dodgeville, Wisconsin) is mentioned former pastor "J. M. Ritland" of Spring Valley, Minnesota.
Places to search in addition to possible amended birth record:
Marriage to Julia Constance Nelson ca 1920
St Olaf yearbooks and records
United Norwegian Church Seminary yearbooks and records
Ordination record
World War II draft registration
US passport application
Death record (but, obit and tombstone don't use the M)
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Pastor Ritland
