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Marilyn Olson
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 Posted - 27/06/2011 : 15:54:06
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| Seeking information on my husband's grandma "Nettie" Modahl Olson. She married Carl Arthur Olson. Tonette is buried in Minnesota at Lakeview Cemtery wth otehr siblings, but I cannot locate what farm she came from, etc. She had many friends who would fly over around 1972-73 from Norway to the farm in Antelope Montana for visits, my husband recalls. The Amercian actress Arlene Dahl apparently is his cousin, but she rumor is that she dropped the "Mo" from her name when she became famous..... |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/06/2011 : 16:16:00
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| Some dates for birth, imigration etc would be helpful. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/06/2011 : 17:48:23
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Hi,.
Data copied from the Montana County Marriages database at www.familysearch.org:
Name: Carl Arthur Olson
Titles & Terms:
Event: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Nov 1915
Event Place: Culbertson, Sheridan, Montana
Age: 26
Marital Status:
Previous Spouse:
Race:
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Estimated Birth Year: 1889
Father: Christian Olson
Father's Titles & Terms:
Mother: Mathilda Fighlberg
Mother's Titles & Terms:
Paternal Grandfather:
Paternal Grandmother:
Maternal Grandfather:
Maternal Grandmother:
Additional Relatives:
Spouse: Nettie Modahl
Spouse's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year: 1894
Spouse's Father: Lars Modahl
Spouse's Father's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Mother: Bertha Torkildson
Spouse's Mother's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Paternal Grandfather:
Spouse's Paternal Grandmother:
Spouse's Maternal Grandfather:
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Volume/Page/Certificate Number: item 2 cn 600
Film Number: 1903321
Digital Folder Number: 4351319
Image Number: 269
Here is Arlene Dahl'spage in wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlene_Dahl :
Arlene Dahl's birth info from www.mnhs.org:
Dahl, Arlene Carol
Date of Birth: 11 Aug 1925
Mother Maiden Name: Swan
certid# 1925-43442
County of Birth: Hennepin
Hilsen,
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 27/06/2011 18:01:34 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/06/2011 : 18:14:39
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Here's what it says in this book "De Som Dro - Utandringa fra Melhus" by Åsmund Snøfugl.
Fimskuespillerinnen Arlene Dahl er barnebarn av Anne Brubakk, som utvandret fra Melhus 1887. Arlene Dahl hadde sin første filmrolle i 1946, og spilte i en rekke filmer i de nærmeste 15-20 åra.
Mor hennes er av Brubakk-slekt. Hun het Ingeborg og var datter av Anne Brubakk (f. 1867) og Johan Svangrønning fra Buvika.
Anne utvandret til Amerika i 1887, faren Johan var reist i 1884.
I noen år bodde Johan i Britisk Columbia, der han drev skogsarbeid. Senere kom han til Minnesota.
Det var trolig der han møtte Anne Brubakk. De giftet seg og slo de seg ned i Minneapolis, der Johan startet opp vognmannsforretning.
Johan forenklet navnet Svangrønning til Svange og amerikaniserte det senere til Swaan. De fikk tre barn, Andreas, Ingvald og Ingeborg.
I 1897 kom Anne Brubakk heim til Melhus på besøk. Hun hadde med seg sønnen Ingvald på turen. Han var da bare fem år gammel.
Under oppholdet i Norge bodde Anne for det meste på Bleke, hos søskenbarnet Anne Brækken. Der ble Ingeborg født.
I det norske miljøet i Minneapolis traff Ingeborg, som ung dame, Rudolf Dahl.
Han hadde slekta si fra Bergenskanten. Han var handverker. Omkring 1920 ble de to gift.
Noen år senere fikk det unge paret dattera Arlene. Hun ble født i Minneapolis 11 aug 1926.
På et bilde som ble tatt av henne og morfaren, Johan Svangrønning da Arlene var en fem-seks år, og som ble sendt heim til slektningene i Trøndelag,
ser vi ei kjekk lita jente som trygt holder morfars hand.
Arlenes mor, Ingeborg ble syk og døde tidlig, før dattera Arlene nådde voksen alder.
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The movie actress Arlene Dahl is the granddaughter of Anne Brubakk, who emigrated from Melhus 1887.
Arlene Dahl had her first film role in 1946, and starred in numerous films over the next 15-20 years.
Her mother is of Brubakk-family. Her name was Ingeborg and the daughter of Anne Brubakk (b. 1867) and Johan Svangrønning from Buvika.
Anne emigrated to America in 1887, her father Johan emigrated in 1884.
Johan lived for some years in British Columbia, where he was occupied in forestry. He later came to Minnesota.
It was probably there where he met Anne Brubakk. They married and they settled in Minneapolis, where Johan started up a wagon man business.
Johan simplified his lastname Svangrønning to Svang and later Americanized it to Swaan. They had three children; Andreas, Ingvar and Ingeborg.
Anne Brubakk came home to Melhus to visit in 1897. Her son Ingvald was with her on the trip. He was only five years old then.
During her stay in Norway Anne lived mostly on Bleke, with her cousin Anne Brækken. That's where Ingeborg was born.
In the Norwegian community in Minneapolis met Ingeborg, as a young lady, Rudolf Dahl.
He had his family from the Bergen area. He was a craftsman. The two married around 1920.
Some years later the young couple got the daughter Arlene. She was born in Minneapolis on Aug. 11, 1926.
In a picture taken of her and her grandfather, Johan Svangrønning when Arlene was a five or six years, and which was sent home to relatives in Trøndelag, we see a nice little girl that safely keeps her grandfather's hand.
Arlenes mother, Ingeborg became ill and died early, before the daughter Arlene reached adulthood.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 27/06/2011 : 18:21:52
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Hi,
Great work for two locations in Norway for Arlene Dahl. Here is the Minnesota Deaths and Burials database at www.familysearch.org for a Lars Modahl who died in Hubbard County, Minnesota:
Name: Lars Modahl
Gender: Male
Death Date: 28 Nov 1944
Death Place: Nevis, Hubbard, Minnesota
Age: 82
Birth Date: 1862
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Tori Modahl
Father's Name: Sigburn Peterson
Mother's Name: Segna Peterson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B02562-3
System Origin: Minnesota-EASy
Source Film Number: 2243481
Reference Number: 5903
His spouse is given as Tori Modahl so a bit hard to imagine how it might have become Bertha Torkildson, perhaps he was married twice or something like that. Need more facts....
Hilsen,
Jackie M.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/06/2011 : 18:41:14
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Census-1900 for Minneapolis city, Hennepin, Minnesota:
John Swan, born Mar 1865, Norway, imm 1881
Annie Swan, born Apr 1867, Norway, imm 1886
Ingwal A Swan, born Jul 1891, Wisconsin
Ingeborg Swan, born Apr 1895, Norway
Andreas Swan, born Dec 1894, Minnesota
Arlene Dahl, born 11 aug 1926 is the daugther of Ingeborg, (born Apr 1895) & Rudolf Dahl b. ab 1893.
John Swan, aka Johan Svangrønning, is born Mar 1865 in Buvika, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 27/06/2011 18:42:15 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9224 Posts |
Posted - 27/06/2011 : 18:43:41
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The 1920 US Census lists Nettie Modahl Olson as having been born abt 1895 in Norway and having immigrated in 1904.
Name:
Nettie Olson
Home in 1920:
School District 19, Sheridan, Montana
Age:
25
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1895
Birthplace:
Norway
Relation to Head of House:
Wife
Spouse's Name:
Carl A Olson
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 27/06/2011 : 18:47:27
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Hi,
Here is information on Lars A Modal from HeritageQuest:
MODAL LARS A 47 M W NORW MN LYON COTTONWOOD 1910
He is listed as age 47 widowed born Norway and came to US in 1905. Chilrdren are:
Sigbjorn Modal male age 22 b.Norway udv 1905
Sara? (Stena?) Modal female age 20 b. Norway udv 1905
Tora Modal female, age 17 b. Norway udv 1905
Nettie Modal female age 15 b. Norway udv 1905
Torkil Modal male age 13 b. Norway udv 1905
Oscar Modal male age 10 b. Norway udv 1905
Christian Modal age 7 b. Norway udv 1905
Hilsen,
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7765 Posts |
Posted - 27/06/2011 : 19:00:56
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Hi,
So according to the Norwegian census Lars and all the children in the family are born in Bakke and Berthe the mother is born in Gyland. How likely is Arlene Dahl a relative to these people?
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/06/2011 : 19:11:25
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His spouse is given as Tori Modahl so a bit hard to imagine how it might have become Bertha Torkildson, perhaps he was married twice or something like that. Need more facts....
I do not know if he was married twice but the 1910 US Census lists him as a widow.
Name:
Lare A Modal
[Lars A Modal]
Age in 1910:
47
Estimated Birth Year:
1863
Birthplace:
Norway
Relation to Head of House:
Head
Father's Birth Place:
Norway
Mother's Birth Place:
Norway
Home in 1910:
Cottonwood, Lyon, Minnesota
Marital Status:
Widowed
Year of immigration:
1905
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/06/2011 : 20:03:14
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Hi,
So according to the Norwegian census Lars and all the children in the family are born in Bakke and Berthe the mother is born in Gyland. How likely is Arlene Dahl a relative to these people?
Jackie M.
Good question.
Arlene's father Rudolph is born in Minnesota by Swedish born parents, so I doubt he is the link to Modahl.
The Sortomme-Goodspeed Family Tree at ancestry.com have more information about Rudolph S. Dahl. Sorry, wrong Rudolph...
If there is a family connection, it must be through Arlene's mother Ingeborg Swan.
Could it be just an urban legend?
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 28/06/2011 00:25:53 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/06/2011 : 21:34:25
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There were two Rudolph Dahls born in Minnesota about 1893. Be very careful that you are looking at the correct one.
There appears to be inconsistency in the census information that is given on the federal censuses. Marilyn should obtain the birth certificates, death certificates, state censuses and other documents to try to work out the preponderance of the evidence. If the Arlene Dahl connection is at all important then it should be started with looking at her actual birth certificate, her entry in the 1930 US federal census, etc. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/06/2011 : 22:38:29
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I wonder if this is where the connection is. This is an Arlene Dahl born of Rudolph S Dahl but mother is Idelle not Ingeborg. .
Rudolph S Dahl
Home in 1930:
Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota
View Map
Age:
37
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1893
Birthplace:
Minnesota
Relation to Head of House:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Idelle Dahl
Race:
White
Household Members:
Name
Age
Rudolph S Dahl
37
Idelle Dahl
34
Arlene Coral Dahl
4 9/12
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Edited by - AntonH on 27/06/2011 22:44:56 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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4961 Posts |
Posted - 27/06/2011 : 22:49:30
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Yes, this is actress Arlene with mother Ingeborg Swan and father Rudolph Dahl, but the missing connection is to the Modahl family from Bakke, Vest-Agder.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/06/2011 : 23:00:03
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And this Rudolph S Dahl was the son of John and Ingaborg and in 1900 living in Lyon, Cottonwood, Minnesota. And in the post of Jackie Lars Modal also lived in Lyon, Cottonwood, Minnesota. So perhaps the posters husband's cousin is Arlene Dahol but a different Arelen Dahl than the famous movie actress.
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Here is information on Lars A Modal from HeritageQuest:
MODAL LARS A 47 M W NORW MN LYON COTTONWOOD 1910
Name:
Rudolf S Dahl
Home in 1900:
Lucas, Lyon, Minnesota
[Cottonwood, Lyon, Minnesota]
Age:
7
Birth Date:
Dec 1892
Birthplace:
Minnesota
Race:
White
Gender:
Male
Relationship to head-of-house:
Son
Father's name:
J H Dahl
Father's Birthplace:
Norway
Mother's name:
Ingeborg Dahl
Mother's Birthplace:
Wisconsin
Marital Status:
Single
Household Members:
Name
Age
J H Dahl
46
Ingeborg Dahl
42
Alma M Dahl
19
Henrietta Dahl
18
Joseph Alvin Dahl
15
Hans L Dahl
13
Silas Imanuel Dahl
11
Clara Jenette Dahl
9
Rudolf S Dahl
7
Walter Clarence Dahl
5
Estella Charlota Dahl
2
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