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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 31/08/2013 : 17:10:06
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Your question:
Under column “Billet”what does pp (prp) mean? …paid passenger? Who else would pay? Not all passengers have an entry in this column?
Yes, lots of folks' fare were paid by relatives or future employers in America.
Your question:
Could Neils Olsen Tang (b. 1814) be a brother of Ole Jensen Tang ?
If he was, he'd have to be a half-sibling from his mother's side. Olsen as part of his name indicates his father's given name was Ole whereas your Ole's father name is Jens. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 31/08/2013 17:18:23 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/08/2013 : 22:11:46
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The post by Hopkins indicates that Jens Olsen Tang and Synneva Olsdtr Tang emigrated together (10Mar 1882). This seems to conflict with the info (jkmarker) about emigration of Synneve Olsdtr Hillestad (Tang) with husband Einar Nilssen Hillestsd (and two children).
- the Synneva Olsdatter who emigrated in 1882 is said to be born in 1867 - this is most likely her baptismal record, #55 - parents Ole Johannesen, Smedegaard and Ingeborg Olsdatter, Tang.
Jens sister Synneva Olsdatter was born 1860, the baptismal record is #11 and she emigrated in 1883 with her husband and two children.
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dtang
Junior member
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Posted - 31/08/2013 : 23:25:13
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| Thanks Einar, I have been fixated on Jens and sister Synneva Olsdtr emigrating together (1882). |
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JaneC
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 00:56:08
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Originally posted by eibache
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The post by Hopkins indicates that Jens Olsen Tang and Synneva Olsdtr Tang emigrated together (10Mar 1882). This seems to conflict with the info (jkmarker) about emigration of Synneve Olsdtr Hillestad (Tang) with husband Einar Nilssen Hillestsd (and two children).
- the Synneva Olsdatter who emigrated in 1882 is said to be born in 1867 - this is most likely her baptismal record, #55 - parents Ole Johannesen, Smedegaard and Ingeborg Olsdatter, Tang.
But interesting it looks like Ole Jensen Smedegaard is one Synneva's faddernes --godparents. Also Synneva is born about 1 1/2 months after Jens' sister Britta.
There is a 27 year old single woman, Ingeborg Olsdatter, on one of the Tangstræ farms in 1865. Has Anne Olsdatter Tang (Jens' mother)' s line been followed?:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f61425&gardpostnr=134&merk=134#ovre
Doug you seem game to try looking at the parish registers but you are fortunate as there are online searchable as text--database of Hafslo baptisms from 1794-1920 at the digitalarkivet. So you could go through the baptisms page by page or try the database.... |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 08:57:08
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There is a 27 year old single woman, Ingeborg Olsdatter, on one of the Tangstræ farms in 1865.
- she was Jens Olsens aunt.
Baptismal record #13. Born Jan 5 1837, parents Ole Olsen and Søneva Hansdatter, Hildestad.
Uncle Lars, born Sept 22 1839, #84.
Uncle Mons, born Febr 4 1846, #18.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 09:33:23
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Anna Olsdatters parents, Ole Olsen, Nøstaaen (28) and Syneve Hansdatter, Sterri (25), was married Nov 30 1831, #31.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 09:50:08
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| So Jens travelled to America with his first cousin.... |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 16:31:46
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"So Jens travelled to America with his first cousin...." = their mothers were sisters?
So the Synneva Olsdatter who emigrated in 1882 is born in 1867 to PARENTS Ole Johannesen, Smedegaard and Ingeborg Olsdatter, Tang. PARENTS to Ingeborg Olsdatter, Tang are Ole Olsen,Nøstaaen and Søneva Hansdatter, Hildestad (or Sterri). Ingeborg is sister to Anna Olsdtr, mother to "Doug's" Jens Olsen Tang.
Do I have that right?
Sponsors at baptisms of siblings to Jens Olsen Tang:
A Niels Olsen Tang is baptismal sponsor at baptism of Knud Olsen Tang born May 9 1871 (link to record posted earlier by eibache)
Ole Olsen Tang and pigen Ingeborg Olsdttr Tang are sponsors at baptism of Synneva Olsdtr Tang (link posted by eibache)
Lars Olsen Tang (bachelor) is a sponsor at baptism of Anna Olsdtr Tang (link posted by eibache) |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 17:38:49
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Looks like it.
Pondering about the Tang who married Brynjulf Hansen children who were packed off to Norway (as well as those who fussed and didn't go). Perhaps when the parents split Ida and Otillie went to Norway with their mother? It would have to have been after 1901 following the birth of Synneva's youngest child. There are lots of Ida born Amerika in the 1910 Norwegian census..... |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 18:20:47
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The Ida you mention perhaps became Mrs. Ida Haden of Buffalo, New York - if the logic is correct on page 2 of this thread.
[Back in an edit to say the Susie found below is found to be the first cousin of Jens Olsen Tang - she is daughter of his mother's sister Ingeborg.]
In the 1900 census in Lake Park, Becker, Minnesota, family of Brynjulf Hansen and Susie Tang, Susie is age 33, born Oct 1866 Norway, married 17 years (married 1883), mother of 9 children 9 living, to USA 1882 .On an Ancestry.com family tree, this Susan is called Sonia Susan Tang born 17 July 1867 in Norway, which does not match the birth date on the 1900 census.
Also interesting is the family of Ole Olsen Tang b 1829 in Hafslo who maried Sophie Sjursdatter Quam who lived in Wisconsin, then Becker County Minnesota, then Clay County Minnesota. Their daughter Anna Sophia b 1875 is likely the "Miss Sophie Tang" whose death record I posted showing mother's maiden name Kvam. This family is further detailed on Find a Grave, buried at Solem Cemetery where Jens Olsen Tang and wife Louise are buried:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSln=Tang&GSiman=1&GScid=980161&
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 18:41:03
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There's a 50/50 chance that the Ole Tang family who migrated in the 1860s to Minnesota and ended up in Becker and Clay counties could be a relative also to Jens (like an uncle!). Here is copy of the two Ole Olsen births in 1829 in Hafslo:
6407 Ole 1829.04.13 1829.04.17 m e Ole Olsen Børtness Huusm Karie Pedersdatter Hafslo
6421 Ole 1829.05.17 1829.05.28 m u Ole Olsen Nøstøen Ungkarl 2den gang leiermaal Sønneve Hansdr Steen 2den gang leiermaal Hafslo
If this is true I'll probably have to undo my cross out on Susan Tang above!
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 18:55:51
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BINGO
> "Ole 1829.05.17 1829.05.28 m u Ole Olsen Nøstøen Ungkarl 2den gang leiermaal Sønneve Hansdr Steen 2den gang leiermaal Hafslo" <
Find a Grave:
Ole Tang
Birth: May 17, 1829
Death: Mar. 31, 1904
Gravestone Inscription: Hafslo, Sogn, Prestegjeld, Norge [sic]
Burial: Solem Cemetery, Hawley, Clay, Minnesota (where Jens Olsen Tang and wife are buried)
1880
Eglon, Clay, Minnesota
Ole Tang 51 Norway, farmer
Sofia Tang 49 Norway
Anna Tang 18 Norway
Syvert Tang 13 Wisconsin
Henry Tang 8 Minnesota
Anne S. Tang 5 Minnesota [ Minnesota birth record SOPHIA?]
Christian E. Tang 4 Minnesota [MN birth record Erick Christian]
Sophie (Sjursdatter Qvam?, called Seversen in husband's bio)
Birth: Jul. 14, 1821 Hafslo, Sogn, Prestegjeld, Norge
Death: Feb. 20, 1904
[from inscription on tombstone, FIND a GRAVE]
I think one of the Brynjulf Hansen girls married a guy named Henry Tang....oy vey. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 19:14:33
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This appears to be Jens' sister first cousin (per the ancestry database JaneC quoted earlier) Brynjulf's ex:
OLSON, SUSAN
Date of Birth: na
Place of Birth: na
Mother Maiden Name: na
certid# 1931-MN-015309
Date of Death: 13 Aug 1931
County of Death: TODD
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 19:26:03
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From the Dalby Database:
BOOK - COMPENDIUM OF HISTORY & BIOGRAPHY OF NORTHERN MINNESOTA, PUBLISHED 1902. Tang, Ole. Ole Tang, one of the venerable settlers in Clay county, whose home is in section 32, Eglon township, wh4ere for long years he has carried on farming operations on an extensive scale, was born on the Tan farm in Bergen Swift, Norway, in 1829, and is the son of a farmer who lived and died in the old country. Ole Tang was the oldest in a family of many children born to his parents and was reared and educated in his native community. When he was eighteen years old he began at the shoemaker's trade, and for many years was devoted to that occupation in Norway, and also after his coming into Clay county. In 1859 he was married, in Norway, to Miss Severson, by whom he had twelve children, six of whom are still living: Susan is married; Annie taught school and is now married; Severt, who was born in Wisconsin, is a school teacher; Sophia and Christian, both of whom were born in Freeborn county, Minnesota. Mr. Tang came to the United States in 1862 and settled in Madison, Wisconsin, where he followed his trade. When the Civil War was ended he moved to Wauzeka, Crawford county, Wisconsin, where he followed his trade two years. At Albert Lea, Minnesota, he had his home ten years, working at his trade and also carrying on a small shoe store. In 1877 he moved into Becker county, locating on a farm in Lake Park township where he remained one year, then removing to a homestead in section 32, Clay county, and devoted himself to making his present comfortable and attractive farm home. He put up a log house and began farming with a boundless determination to succeed. His first crop of wheat ran fifteen bushels to the acre. For several years he did all his farm work with oxen, but now has every convenience that modern farming demands. He owns a farm of two hundred acres with about eighty under the plow, and is regarded as a very capable and successful man. Mr. Tan holds to Democratic ideas and has been on the town board, of which he was chairman one term. For several years he has been school treasurer. He and his family are earnest and devoted members of the Lutheran church, where his character and known integrity give him a good standing.
Burials on the Dalby Database include Jens Olsen Tang, his wife, and other people who adopted the surname Tang:
http://www.dalbydata.com/user.php?action=cemsearchresults
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