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MichaelBaird
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 Posted - 04/01/2014 : 21:31:56
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Yesterday I spent some 7 hours or so doing searches on the transcribed records at the Digitalarkivet with all the combinations I could think of with no luck.
I'm thinking of starting an exhaustive search through the digitized records for
Strinda/lade to see if I can find anything.
I'm not as familiar with the geography maybe as some of you - which other parishes should I look through?
Thanks again everyone,
Michael
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MichaelBaird
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Posted - 04/01/2014 : 21:40:57
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Originally posted by eibache
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5. So then is the birth record wrong and Oluf’s mother is Margrethe Knudsdatter and not Margrethe Hansdatter?
- a reasonable guess since also Johan Adolfs mother was Knudsdatter - if it was not for the fact that the confirmation record names Olufs mother Margrethe Hansdatter, #25.
Do we know how the Priest received the information to place in the confirmation record? I would assume from the person being confirmed? However, being a little desperate here (or in American slang terms: grasping at straws), is it possible that the information is just copied from the person's baptismal record? Which would then propagate any errors. I guess I really don't have a good grasp on how well the priests knew the members of their parish and what was the procedures for recording the different events.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/01/2014 : 00:11:54
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More statistics from the 1865 census:
Surname / etternavn that starts with tesl : tesli, teslie
Given name / fornavn that starts with" Iv": iver
Østfold 0
Akershus 0
Oslo 0
Hedmark 0
Oppland 0
Buskerud 0
Vestfold 0
Telemark 0
Aust-Agder 0
Vest-Agder 0
Rogaland 0
Hordaland 0
Sogn og Fjordane 0
Møre og Romsdal 0
Sør-Trøndelag 2
Nord-Trøndelag 0
Nordland 0
Troms 0
Finnmark 0
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Totalt 2
The 2 total are these in Trondhjem
1601 Throndhjem 2
Which are these fellows, one of which is yours:
Pers.no. New household Given name Last name Family pos. Occupation Marital status Age Sex Birth place
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12 1 Iver Teslie Logerende Arbeidsmand g 62 m Strinden
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14 Iver Olaus Teslie hendes Søn Barn ug 7 m Throndhjem
Tesli/ Teslie is the name of a farm. So in the 1865 searching for farms which name begins "Tesl" finds only these four--all in Strinden:
District no. Page School distr. Local parish Parish Farm Remarks (farm) Title
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3 80 3die Hlade Strinden Tesli 169 1
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3 80 3die Hlade Strinden Tesli 169a, c 1
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3 80 3die Hlade Strinden Teslimyhr og Teslid 167, 169b 2
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3 80 3die Hlade Strinden Teslimyhr og Teslid* 1
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Hopkins
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Posted - 05/01/2014 : 00:15:51
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| Margrethe Knudsdtr Teslie (b. ca. 1808) died Feb. 1875 in Trondheim. Perhaps a probate record for her would list the names of her surviving sons and settle the question of her patronymic name. |
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jkmarler
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JaneC
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/01/2014 : 02:01:00
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| Another way to think about the patronymic problem is that Margarett's father may have had a "double" first name for instance like Hans Knud Olsen. I've seen it happen where sometimes the same person has Johan for a patronymic one time and Karl for the patronymic the next all because the father's name was Johan Karl... |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/01/2014 : 03:34:49
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Here is Margareth Knudsdatter b. 1808 confirmation #4 right hand page in 1823:
Source information: Hedmark county, Kvikne in Kvikne, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1815-1895), Confirmation records 1820-1823, page 483-484.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9231&idx_id=9231&uid=ny&idx_side=-212
Here is Margrethe's parents and sibs and grandmother in 1801:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=f1801&gardpostnr=12197&personpostnr=176796&merk=176796#ovre
Blows the double first name theory if this is the correct Knud, left hand page second from top:
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Kvikne, Ministerialbok nr. 2 (1764-1784), Fødte og døpte 1775, side 139-140.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9229&idx_id=9229&uid=ny&idx_side=-71
Knud Halvorsen & Karen Halvorsdatter marriage, 2nd from top on right hand page:
Source information: Hedmark county, Kvikne, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1785-1814), Marriage records 1795-1797, page 260-261.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9230&idx_id=9230&uid=ny&idx_side=-123
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MichaelBaird
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MichaelBaird
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Posted - 05/01/2014 : 07:00:44
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Blows the double first name theory if this is the correct Knud, left hand page second from top:
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Kvikne, Ministerialbok nr. 2 (1764-1784), Fødte og døpte 1775, side 139-140.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9229&idx_id=9229&uid=ny&idx_side=-71
Yes it does (blow it up)!
Can anyone read this record??
I can make out the Knud but have a very hard time with most of the rest of it.
The information I have is Knud Halvorsen Futplassen was christened 19 February 1775 at
Kvikne, Hedmark, Norway. Feb 19, 1775 was a Sunday (thanks google) and this record is some Sunday in 1775
but I'm not sure how to figure it out from the record. If it is Feb 19th then this Knud is very likely the Knud that is father to Margrethe.
Here is his death at age 63 which also matches. Top left of page:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9232&idx_id=9232&uid=ny&idx_side=-119
Thanks,
Michael
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/01/2014 : 09:37:47
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The baptismal record reads
Søndag Sexagesima 1775 (=Febr 19 1775)
Halwor Olsens and Marit Knudsdatters ægte son: Knud.
Widower Halwor Olsen and Marit Knudsdatter, Brandeggen were married Sept 23 1774, top record in 1st column.
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MichaelBaird
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Posted - 12/01/2014 : 19:27:11
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I believe I've found the baptism record of Iver Jacobsen - the father of Oluf Iversen Teslie.
I'm wondering if I can get help on reading the record?
2nd entry on right side of page (page 65)
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16278&idx_id=16278&uid=ny&idx_side=-35
This is what I get
Jacob Ivers Tesliens and Ingebor Olsdatters ??? Iver ?? baptized
witnesses/sponsors
Marith Jacobsdatter Teslien
Maria Adamsdr (is the last name correct?)
Marit Erichsdr
Ole Olsen Teslien
Michel Olsen
Ole Iversen ??
Last line:
?? Christopher Andersen ?? ??
This raises a number of questions as Ingebor Olsdatter is not who I had for the mother of Iver Jacobsen. Jacob Iversen who was the first owner of Jacobsli later had several children with Olava Andersatter.
So is Ingebor a first wife and Olava a second?? More research to do!
I still haven't solved the original problem I posted here but this is helping me get closer I think.
Thanks,
Michael
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/01/2014 : 19:44:07
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I read:
The baptism at home for the child of Jacob Iversen, Teslien and Ingebor Olsdatter called Iver was confirmed Dec 25 1803.
Witnesses:
Marit Jacobsdatter, Teslien, Maria Adamsdatter, Teslien, Marit Erichsdatter, Teslien, Ole Olsen, Teslien, Michel Olsen, Teslien and Ole Iversen, Munchvold.
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MichaelBaird
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Posted - 12/01/2014 : 19:53:22
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quote:
Originally posted by eibache
I read:
The baptism at home for the child of Jacob Iversen, Teslien and Ingebor Olsdatter called Iver was confirmed Dec 25 1803.
Witnesses:
Marit Jacobsdatter, Teslien, Maria Adamsdatter, Teslien, Marit Erichsdatter, Teslien, Ole Olsen, Teslien, Michel Olsen, Teslien and Ole Iversen, Munchvold.
Thanks Einer!
You must be an expert at this as I see you post translations all the time.
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eibache
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Posted - 12/01/2014 : 20:14:01
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?? Christopher Andersen ?? ??
Christopher Andersen, Broe was burried 68 years old.
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