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brejohns
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 Posted - 14/01/2014 : 04:06:00
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| I'm looking for the baptismal records for Borre Johnson born on July 10, 1860 or 1861. He emigrated to the USA in 1882. He was born in Oslo Norway. We do not have any information on his parents. Any information would be welcomed. |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 04:31:55
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 04:37:29
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Most likely him. Bore Johnson rather than Bernsa Jonson
Husband of Alma Hanson, Correction posted in the Ancestry.com record.
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Bernoa Jonson
[Bernsa Jonson]
Age: 39
Birth Date: Jul 1860
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Dunseith, Rolette, North Dakota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1882
[1887]
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Alma Jonson
Marriage Year: 1890
Years Married: 10
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation:
Household Members:
Name Age
Bernoa Jonson 39
Alma Jonson 26
Clara Jonson 10
John Jonson 8
Benny Jonson 6
Minnie Jonson 4
Henry Jonson 2
Norman Jonson 1
Gust Anderson 27
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AntonH
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JaneC
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brejohns
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 02:28:42
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| First thing - I do apologize for not supply enough information to you. I do hope this will help. According to family records Borre Johnson was born July 10, 1861 or 1860 and died on January 27, 1914 in Rolette County, North Dakota USA. He emigrated to the USA in 1882. Borre married Alma (Lena) Helen Hanson on December 16, 1888. Alma Hanson was born on June 9, 1872 in Ottertail County, Minnesota. She died on May 5, 1953 Bottineau County, North Dakota. Borre and Alma had 12 children - Clara, Johnny, Bennie, Minnie, Henry, Norman, Arla, Julia (first Julia died), Myrtle, Gladys and Lela. This information is only from family records and they differ a bit. Some US Census records (1900) list Borre's name as Bernoa Jonson or Bore Johnson or Bernsa Jonson. To make matters worse, it appears some US census records (1910) even list his name as Berry Sompson or Benj Sompson or Benj Sampson. I doubt some of these US census records are completely accurate, but they do confirm and list the correct ages of the children. I was hoping to get to the bottom of all these inconsistencies by finding his Norwegian birth records (church) and maybe his emigration information. Again I'm sorry for not supplying this earlier. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 02:39:06
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| JaneC - Yes the grave at Rendahl is our Borre Johnson. I didn't notice that the grave lists a different birthdate also - June 10, 1860. I now have records that show 3 different birthdates. June 10, 1860 is on the tombstone, July 10, 1860 is on a handwritten 1900 census and July 10, 1861 is listed in the family records. I tried looking for birth records at the Digitalarkivet web site, but I didn't know enough about the Oslo area where he was born. Appreciate anything else you can find. Thanks again. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 03:10:20
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| I believe the birth record #152 from the Faberg Parish register would be correct as well as the Faberg 1865 census which lists Bore Johansen as born in 1860 - and finally a birth date of July 15. Some of Borre's relatives do have the last name of Johansen and are buried beside him in the cemetery. Are you able to tell me anything about Borre's parents? The 1865 census shows Johan Mortensen as his father and Mari Christensdatter as his mother. Does this agree with the #152 birth record? It is so nice to finally know the municipality where he was born. We are planning to come to Norway this year in either May or June. We are so excited to find where are relatives came from. Can you also give me the correct spelling for Borre's name. The birth record shows Borre (with 2 dots above the o) but the census show Bore (with a slash through the o). Again thank you. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 03:20:18
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| I believe the birth record #152 from the Faberg Parish register would be correct as well as the Faberg 1865 census which lists Bore Johansen as born in 1860 - and finally a birth date of July 15. Some of Borre's relatives do have the last name of Johansen and are buried beside him in the cemetery. Are you able to tell me anything about Borre's parents? The 1865 census shows Johan Mortensen as his father and Mari Christensdatter as his mother. Does this agree with the #152 birth record? It is so nice to finally know the municipality where he was born. We are planning to come to Norway this year in either May or June. We are so excited to find where are relatives came from. Can you also give me the correct spelling for Borre's name. The birth record shows Borre (with 2 dots above the o) but the census show Bore (with a slash through the o). Again thank you. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 04:29:57
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The orginal 1910 US Census shows his name as Berry Johnson, with the Johnson lined out and Sampson written over the last name.
1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Berry Sompson
[Benj Sompson]
[Benj Sampson]
Age in 1910: 49
[48]
[19]
Birth Year: abt 1861
[abt 1862]
[abt 1891]
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Willow Lake, Rolette, North Dakota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1880
[1888]
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Alma Sampson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Berry Sompson 49
[48]
[19]
Alma Sampson 37
Bennie A Sampson 16
Minnie J Sampson 14
Henry M Sampson 12
Norman A Sampson 10
Arla A Sampson 8
Julia S Sampson 5
Myrtle A Sampson 3 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 04:37:03
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The 1865 census shows Johan Mortensen as his father and Mari Christensdatter as his mother
Yes, they are the same names, however I would be more comfortable with more information connecting your ancestor to the number 152 in the Norwegian records, before we make a definitive determination that they are one and the same person. Too many discrepancies still out, Including name, birth dates etc. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 04:59:43
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The family used the name Sampson in the 1910 Census shown above. Then the surviving members used the Sampson name in 1915 and 1925 in the North Dakota State Census. In the 1930 US Census, the mother Alma used Sampson and the children used Johnson.
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Alma Sampson
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: Minnesota
Race: White
Home in 1930: Willow Lake, Rolette, North Dakota
Map of Home:
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Household Members:
Name Age
Alma Sampson 56
Bennie Johnson 36
Lelia Johnson 17
The family used Johnson in the 1900 US Census and after death of the father, still used Johnson in the 1920 and 1940 US Census. Very strange.
A side note, I did not find any Børre Sampson or even any Børre Sam,,,, in the 1865 Norwegian Census. |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/01/2014 17:04:42 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 16:03:44
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That is strange lyndal40.
brejohns, will you please post your records - I mean transcriptions such as lyndal40 has posted. Obviously this is at your discretion, but I think it would help! Thanks.
It is too soon to know your ancestor's identity in Norway - the connection has not yet been established. |
Edited by - JaneC on 15/01/2014 19:21:57 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 17:32:35
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Brejohns, I wonder if you are aware of these Family Tree's on Ancestry.com. There are about 18 of them. All very similar and all starting with.
Johan Mortensen Boro
Birth 17 May 1816 in Vingrom, Faaberg, Norway
Death 12 Dec 1898 in Hancock, Iowa, United States
Married to
Mari Christensdattar Lunde
Birth 10 Feb 1824 in Faaburg, Norway
Death 11 Mar 1905 in Des Lace, Ward, North Dakota, United States
They had seven children including
Borre Johansen Borolien
Birth 15 Jul 1861 in Vingrom, Faaberg, Norway
Death
This is very likely the same family that I found in the 1865 Norwegian Census. Is it the same Borre Johnson that you are seeking, Maybe but what light can you shed on this family. Is there any know connection in your family records to these parents or other siblings of your Borre Johnson or Sampson? |
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