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jkmarler
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 Posted - 21/11/2015 : 00:25:33
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| Johan Dahl's occupation on Mathilde's baptism record hasn't been explained. I think the word is "fuldmægtig" which Google translate gives a meaning of "clerk." |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/11/2015 : 08:38:22
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In Mathildes confirmation record her father is said to be Widower representative/proxy at a calcium factory and that he then was in Sandviken (today Sandvika).
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Donato Gaspare (Caspar) Brambani (born in Christiania on 24 February 1834 death in Sandvika 17 December 1906) was a Norwegian industry entrepreneur who established a number of calcium kilns and brickworks in Sandvika, started a sick fund for workers, established Sandvikens Water Works, founded the Society for Sandvikens Well in 1896 and established streetlights in the village.
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eibache
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Posted - 21/11/2015 : 08:55:54
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In Mathildes confirmation record we are informed that she is living with her foster parents stableworker Lars Pedersen and wife at Bjerke in Frøen.
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eibache
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Posted - 21/11/2015 : 09:10:55
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Geir's post of a candidate for Johan Dahl in 1900 could be the right man - but he's not in Sandviken. That Johan Dahl is listed as born 1838 in Laurvig JL.
Johan Dahl is living at Dønski poor people home in Bærum.
(In 1879 Bærum community bought Dønski farm and built a poor people home there.)
Sandvigen (Sandvika) is today a city in Bærum. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 21/11/2015 : 11:37:11
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Thanks Einar for further information and clarification. This may be the Johan Dahl, #20, birth year 1838 birthplace Rakkestad (a farm or a parish?):
Source information: Akershus county, Vestre Bærum, Parish register (official) nr. 1 (1896-1923), Death and burial records 1903, page 149.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=22283&idx_id=22283&uid=ny&idx_side=-150
Johan Dahl's dødfallsprotokol. I think it says no known survivors but someone please check:
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Bærum lensmann, Dødsfallsprotokoll 1 (Fba 0001), 1901-1910, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/27700/31/
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eibache
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Posted - 21/11/2015 : 12:06:05
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Johan Dahl at Dønski poor people home in 1900, died in 1903, see #20.
Birth place is here given as Rakkestad and birthyear 1838.
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Edited by - eibache on 21/11/2015 22:50:52 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 21/11/2015 : 17:05:31
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| Again, many thanks, super job by all of you to find all this great information on the parents. Information on Mathildie has been very difficult to obtain, but as usual you all have managed to shed a great deal of light on them. Tusen takk. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 21/11/2015 : 18:08:12
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Very helpful additions and explanations on location. Thanks eibache.
Not much to add about the Swedish family but I think it's the family below - not verified by me - need moving in and out records for Kaja. Note there's a second very similar couple in Gunnarskog. The following comes from Jonasson-Rosenqvist släkt (Ancestry family tree).
Nils Persson b 16 July 1825 in Ingersbyn, Gunnarskog, Värmland
Märta Nilsdotter b 24 Sep 1830 in Byn, Gunnarskog per tree; d 1864
Children:
Märta Nilsdotter b 2 Nov 1852 in Ingersbyn, Gunnarskog, Värmland
Cajsa Nilsdotter b 10 Feb 1855 in Ingersbyn
Stina Nilsdotter b 10 Dec 1858 in Ingersbyn
Nils Nilsson b 30 Jan 1862 in Ingersbyn
Maybe the brother Nils, below:
1910 Census Norway
Nordom (gaard), Norderhov, Heggen census district [Buskerud]
Nils Nilsen 30.01.1862 Sverige hf g Jordbruks & skogsarbeider
Marte Helene Paulsdatter 28.04.1868 Norderhov hm g Jordbruks & skogsarbeiderkone
Nils Nilsen 20.08.1897 Nes Romerike s ug Søn
Maria Nilsdatter 19.06.1900 Kristiania d ug Datter
Gunnar Nilsen 14.12.1904 Norderhov s ug Søn
Arne Nilsen 29.07.1909 Norderhov s ug Søn
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eibache
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Posted - 21/11/2015 : 22:50:08
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I think it says no known survivors but someone please check
His title is here Manager and his place of birth is said to be Laurvig in 1838.
No relatives are known.
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AntonH
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Posted - 21/11/2015 : 23:50:53
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J K Marler posted quote:
This may be the Johan Dahl, #20, birth year 1838 birthplace Rakkestad (a farm or a parish?)
There are five Rakkestad farms listed in the O. Rygh Norwegian Farm Names data base.
Farm no. Farm Parish Muncipality County
118 Rakkestad Enebak Enebak Akershus amt
91 Rakkestad Nes Nes Akershus amt
90 Rakkestad Bamle Bamle Bratsberg amt
26 Rakkestad Norderhov Norderhov Buskeruds amt
169 Rakkestad Bakke Øvre Eker Buskeruds amt
None in Laurvig (Larvik) Vestfold.
Some possibilties for a Johan from Rakkestad, Enebak.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=503&idx_id=503&uid=ny&idx_side=-64
Just to confuse things a little, there is also a Rackstad in Sweden near where the family of Kajsa if from. |
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eibache
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Posted - 22/11/2015 : 08:29:48
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 Johan Dahls birthplace and year:
1900 census - 1838 Laurvig
Death record - 1838 Rakkestad
Dødsfallsprotokoll - 1838 Laurvig
I believe Larvik is the right place, but in case it should be Rakkestad this is most likely the parish in Østfold, not a farm.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/11/2015 : 13:46:38
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Okay. Laurvig confirmations are transcribed at Digitalarkivet. These are the ones with birthdates in 1838:
Johan Peter Kruge 28.07.1838 Laurvig 07.04.1853 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Larvik prestegjeld, Larvik sokn 1848-1856 (0707P)
Johan Oluf Thomassen 14.09.1838 Laurvig 07.04.1853 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Larvik prestegjeld, Larvik sokn 1848-1856 (0707P)
Johan Fredrik Hansen 01.09.1838 Laurvig 09.10.1853 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Larvik prestegjeld, Larvik sokn 1848-1856 (0707P)
Johan Severin Lorentzen 16.05.1838 Laurvig 15.04.1855 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Larvik prestegjeld, Larvik sokn 1848-1856 (0707P)
Not sure if any of the these have a "Dahl" connection.
Okay here are Johan b 1838 Laurvig in the 1865 census:
Johan Severin Schultze 1838* Laurvig Logerende ug Handelsfuldmægtig Christiania: Toldbodgaden 31.12.1865 Folketelling 1865 for 0301 Kristiania kjøpstad
Carl Johan Isaxksen 1838* Lauvvig s ug Larvik: Thorstrand 31.12.1865 folketelt Folketelling 1865 for 0707P Larvik prestegjeld
Johan F. Hansen 1838* Laurvig hf g Søeman Larvik: Langestrand 31.12.1865 folketelt Folketelling 1865 for 0707P Larvik prestegjeld
Johan Trulsen 1838* Laurvik hf g Sømand Larvik: Langestrand 31.12.1865 folketelt Folketelling 1865 for 0707P Larvik prestegjeld
Johan Oluf Thomasen 1838* Laurvig Kjøbs. hf g Maskinarbeider Larvik: Langestrand 31.12.1865 folketelt Folketelling 1865 for 0707P Larvik prestegjeld
Johan Thygesen 1838* Laurvig deres Søn ug Østre Moland: Langsæv Strandsted 31.12.1865 folketelt Folketelling 1865 for 0918P Austre Moland prestegjeld
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JaneC
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Posted - 22/11/2015 : 14:00:45
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To build a little on eibache's location summary, 1900 census has birth as Laurvig JL - which I guess would mean Jarlsberg and Larvik, Vestfold. Does that make any difference? Then we need a Johan who married and wife died before Mathilde's birth in 1882. By the time a man has married and become a widower he might be on a "career track" with maybe his name and maybe his occupation listed in wife's death record. Maybe.
On jkmarlee's list the Johans without a middle name or second name seem somewhat preferable. The ones with a patronym rather than a "surname" type name seem somewhat preferable. Not sure about the occupations but seaman in 1865 seems somewhat less likely.
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Edited by - JaneC on 22/11/2015 14:09:09 |
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jkmarler
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Parents of Mathilde Otilie Dahl
