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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 03/12/2016 : 12:29:26
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Jonas Torkelsen had been married to Elen (Ella) Olsdatter and their first son Torkel was born in Sweden. Baptismal record in Norway see last record.
Jonas and Ella also had a daughter Inga Sophie born Nov 5 1842 and a daughter Siri Daardi born Jul 9 1841.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/12/2016 : 17:35:02
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This could be the arrival of Ole Johnson into Canada. The document states that his last residence was Flatanger. Since his mother and brother Anders are found there in the 1900 Norwegian Census this might be a good match. The manifest also states that he is going to his brother in Tacoma. No name given for the brother.
Ole Johnson
in the U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
Name: Ole Johnson
Birth Date: abt 1873
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Norwegian
Arrival Date: 3 Jul 1898
Port of Arrival: Levis, Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Numidian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Residence Place: Fladanger
Record Type: Manifests
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/12/2016 : 20:51:32
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Widower and lap Jonas Torkildsen, Børgefjeld and lap girl Anna Sofie Nielsdatter were married March 29 1870 in Skage church, see #3.
Jonas father was Torkild Jonassen and Anna Sofies father was Niels Johnsen.
Note that one of the witnesses was Torkild Jonassen - Jonas son of 1st marriage?
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/12/2016 : 21:03:30
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Jonas Torkelsen was born March 9 1819, see #3.
His parents were lap Torkel Jonassen and Daareta Johnsdatter.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2016 : 00:38:26
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I think that this is Ole Johnsen Steinfeld in the 1920 US Census. His occupation is listed aa Reindeer Handler. A unique enough occupation that put with his arrival of 1898 make a good case .
Ole Stanfield
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Ole Stanfield
Age: 50
Birth Year: abt 1870
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1920: Saint Michael, Second Judicial District, Alaska Territory
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1898
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Home Owned or Rented: Rent
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ole Stanfield 50
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Rachel_Turner
Starting member
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Posted - 04/12/2016 : 01:06:12
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| Hi lyndal 40: Yes, this 1920 US Census information is our Ole. I do have the 1910 and 1930 US Census documents on him, but not this one. Thank you. Interesting that Ole likely did come over though Canada, as my father suspected. I was wondering if I can get a hold of the passenger lists of the SS Manitoban's 1898 trip from Bessekop, Norway to New York to rule out that he did not arrive on that caravan. Also interesting that the likelihood of having Lap heritage is very high. Is it at all probable that a non-Lap Norwegian would take up a profession as a reindeer herder? |
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AntonH
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Rachel_Turner
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Posted - 04/12/2016 : 02:57:25
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Einar and Anton: To clarify how Norwegian names are understood, and using Ole Johnsen Stenfield as an example, is it accurate to assume that "Ole" is his given name "Johnsen" translates to "son of John" and "Stenfield" refers to the place where he and/or his family is from?
I noticed, while looking at a map of Nord-Trøndelag that there is a location called Steinkjer. Is it possible that Ole's family was from Steinkjer, or does the "Stein" portion of his name refer to a place in Sweden (since it appears that both parents recently lived in Sweden)? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/12/2016 : 03:29:51
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Hi Rachel, Anton might swing in but the lamps are probably dark at Einar's.
Yes, Ole is a given name.
Yes, Johnson is a patronym (John's son). It can stand for several first names (Johan, Johannes, Joen, Jonas, even Jens).
Yes, it is true Norwegian custom was to further identify a person with an address (a place name). Often this was the farm where the family was living. The place name changed when the person moved. One brother could be known by one place name as an adult, with another brother having a different place name attached. A person could be referred to as Ole Johnsen, Ole Johnsen Steinfeld, or Ole Steinfeld as a short form. How does Swedish or Lapp influence enter in, I don't know.
Your Ole Johnson Steinfeld was born in that generation of Norwegians who were shifting over, family by family, to permanent last names (surnames as we think of them in the USA).
I'll leave the harder part of the question for now: Where did Steinfeld come from?
Back now with the 1801 census
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Rachel_Turner
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Posted - 04/12/2016 : 03:38:27
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| Thank you Jane. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/12/2016 : 03:41:20
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You are welcome, and I hope others will comment as well.
1801 census the family is at Stenfieldet in Overhalla. Residence name is listed near bottom left. 1801
As we talked about, Ole Johnsen belonged to a modernizing generation who selected permanent surnames. The surname choice was usually a patronym or "address name." Perhaps Ole Johnsen reached back to an ancestral place and used it as a surname. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/12/2016 : 09:09:18
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Is it at all probable that a non-Lap Norwegian would take up a profession as a reindeer herder?
That could very well be, but in the Oles case all of the church records I have listed the professions of this family show that they are laps.
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eibache
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Posted - 04/12/2016 : 09:24:16
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I noticed, while looking at a map of Nord-Trøndelag that there is a location called Steinkjer. Is it possible that Ole's family was from Steinkjer, or does the "Stein" portion of his name refer to a place in Sweden (since it appears that both parents recently lived in Sweden)?
I don't think Stenfield comes from Steinkjer. I have have not been able to find a location called Stenfield/Steinfjeld/Steenfjeld but Slipesteinfjellet you can see on this map.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/12/2016 : 13:48:31
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I am curious and suspect Rachel may possibly have some of the following questions...
In 1801 census, "Stenfieldet" is a place in "Lapperne i Overhalden" census district. Does that mean "census of Lapp people in Overhalden"?
Is Stenfieldet a Saami name? Saami names were often references to geographical features (as I understand from very limited reading). Does "Sten" refer to a stone/rock/cliff in a field?
How does"Slipesteinfjellet" translate?
In 1801 did a nomadic group have a fixed location where it was enumerated?
Here is a list of the places in the same census district in 1801
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Here is the same 1801 census on a different database. Use "Førre" and "Neste" to page back or forward.
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Oluf Rygh farm names
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The Saami gene pool is here said to be "one of the most extensively studied" in the world.
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Edited by - JaneC on 04/12/2016 14:49:42 |
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Looking for Great-Grandfather Ole Stenfield's
