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AntonH
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 Posted - 28/08/2018 : 05:06:39
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Well here is the arrival record for Elias Olsen in 1924.
Elias Olsen
in the Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
Name: Elias Olsen
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Birth Place: Norway
Age: 26
Date of Arrival: Apr 1924
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Stavanger, Norway
Ship Name: Carmania
Lists himself as Fisher and is seeking work, going to Torn Sorensen of Rupert BC.
Also lists nearest relative as friend Magnhild Aarvold of Arkilhavn Karmoen
Elias Olsen
in the U.S., Index to Alien Arrivals at Canadian Atlantic and Pacific Seaports, 1904-1944
Name: Elias Olsen
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1898
Arrival Year: 1924
Arrival Country: USA |
Edited by - AntonH on 28/08/2018 05:12:17 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/08/2018 : 05:17:09
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Now thee was also this arrival record. By data it looked like the same guy.
Elias Olsen
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935Name: Elias Olsen
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 29
Birth Year: abt 1898
Birth Country: Norway
Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Arrival date: 14 May 1927
Arrival Port: Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Aurania
Original says he is from Arkara Norway,,
Going to friend Thor Johnson, Prince Rupert BC. and left wife Mrs. Hanna Olsen, Aarkara PR, Stavanger
We can look deeper and see if there were two guys with the same name, from the same area and going to the same friend in Prince Rupert BC but who arrived a different year and are actually two different people.
If there are two I followed one of them, probably the second guy to Alaska, to the east coat and where he died in New Bedford Mass. |
Edited by - AntonH on 28/08/2018 05:20:42 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/08/2018 : 05:31:24
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A candidate from the 1900 and 1910 Census
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/08/2018 : 05:50:17
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Anton's candidate from the Karmøy online bygdebok:
Bruksnr. 209. Solhaug.
Norges Bebyggelse side 473
? 1930-xxxx:
Elias Olsen født 30.11.1897
Ole B Oliversen og Hanna
Ӂkra
Gift i 1919 med Hanna Larvik
født 17.03.1896
Datter av Ånen og Serina ”Tysvær
Barn:
a)Ole E født:
17.09.1920
b)Ånen
født:14.04.1922
c) Henry
født: 15.10.1923
Here in the Karmøy book is Elias with his birth family. It says he went to America:
2. 1887-1929:
Ole Berdines Olsen
, født 1863, død 07.01.1929
Sønn av Ola Oliversen
og Berta Marie Olsdatter
”Forrige bruker
Gift 1.gang i 1887 med
Inger Marie Eriksdatter
, født 1863, død 1888
Datter av Erik Larssen og Nilsine Andersdatter
”Medhaug bnr. 2
Gift 2.gang i 1895 med
Hanna Lovise Eliasdatter
, født 1861, død 1927
Datter av Elias Tønnessen og Johanna Eliasine Johannesdatter
Ӂkra bnr. 43
Barn i 1.ekteskap:
a) Lars Edvard født:1888 Død 1895
Barn i 1.ekteskap:
b) Inger Edvardine født: 12.10. 1896
Gift med Ingvald Rosenius Pedersen
Ӂkra bnr. 55
c) Elias født: 12.12. 1897
Gift med Hanna Bertine Ånensdatter ”Amerika
d) Ole Mandius født: 09.07. 1899
Gift med Gerda Helene Jørgensdatter
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There were only 4 Elias Olsen in the book, and only one mentioned going to US. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 29/08/2018 13:16:38 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/08/2018 : 06:08:12
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There are a total of 36 Elias Olsen b 1897-1902 found in the 1910 Norwegian census This is a subset of those, being those who resided in Bergen or Hordaland (the parishes around Bergen) at the time of the census:
Elias Olsen Røsbøvik
(male) 1901-11-19 Stord s ug Søn Stord: Røsbø-vik (plads) 1910-12-01 1910 census for Stord
Elias Olsen
(male) 1899-08-29 Ullensvang s ug Søn Ullensvang: Eitrheim 1910-12-01 1910 census for Ullensvang
Nils Elias Olsen
(male) 1897-01-14 Fjeld s ug Fjeld: Syltøy 1910-12-01 1910 census for Fjell
Elias Olsen
(male) 1902-05-24 Hosanger s ug søn Hosanger: Birkeland 1910-12-01 1910 census for Hosanger
Elias Olsen Eide
(male) 1898-01-11 Bjørsvik Hosanger s ug Søn Hosanger: Eide ytre 1910-12-01 1910 census for Hosanger
Elias Olsen
(male) 1902-11-24 Lindaas s ug Lindaas: Feste nordre 1910-12-01 1910 census for Lindås
Alfred Elias Olsen
(male) 1897-05-17 Masfjorden s ug Søn Masfjorden: Kvinge - søndre 1910-12-01 1910 census for Masfjorden |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/08/2018 : 06:35:54
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These are any Elias Olsen found in all the emigration databases at the Digitalarkivet who were born 1897-1902 and who left 1920-1930
Elias Olsen
(male) 1897 g Fisker Aakra 1924-04-14 Emigrants from Stavanger 1903-1928
Hans Elias Olsen Ness
(male) 1900 Bergen ug Værksarbeide Bergen 1923-08-13 Emigrants from Bergen 1874-1930
Elias Olsen Tokheim
(male) 1900 Odda ug Agronom Odda? Hardanger 1923-11-19 Emigrants from Bergen 1874-1930
Elias Olsen Dvergsdal
(male) 1897 Jølster Mr ug Sagmøllearb. State of Oregon 1925-01-22 Emigrants from Bergen 1874-1930
Elias Olsen Fæste
(male) 1902 Lindaas u Pedel Usa 1929-08-07 Emigrants from Bergen 1874-1930
Oskar Elias Olsen Jøsok
(male) 1897 g fisker Herøy Møre 1923-04-05 Emigrants from Ålesund 1878-1930
Jørgen Elias Olsen Parr
(male) 1901 ug løsarbeider Sunylven 1923-07-18 Emigrants from Ålesund 1878-1930
Peder Elias Olsen Brekke
(male) 1898 ug baker Ørsta 1923-11-08 Emigrants from Ålesund 1878-1930
Johan Elias Olsen Klepp
(male) 1897 ug sjømand Volda 1923-11-20 Emigrants from Ålesund 1878-1930
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Of these Hans Elias Olsen Ness is the only one born in Bergen.
Here he is in 1922 Bergen Municipal census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01065522090161
Here he is in 1910 with parents and sibs. This census gives birthplace as Aarstad:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036707006817
And in 1900:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037334001872
In his mother's dødfallsprotokol (abbreviated probate record) Hans is carried as Hans Næss and is living in Canada. Amongst his male siblings most appear to use Næss except one who went with Olsen. The mother died late Dec 1930 :
SAB, Byfogd og Byskriver i Bergen, 06/06Na/L0016: Dødsfallsjournaler, 1929-1931, p. 249
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090611350653
#1001
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Peder Elias Olsen Brekke the baker, is probably this man who died in California. Birthdate in US differs by 5 days to Peder's in the 1910 census of 28 April 1898.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPHM-QPR
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036755000644
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Jørgen Elias Olsen Parr was born 18 Dec 1901 in Sunnylven. He may be this George E Parr, Norwegian, 33, working as crew aboard the SS Westfjord, going from Prince Rupert BC to Seattle Wash. in 1935:https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDZD-XMH
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036758000811
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Elias Olsen Fæste travelling in 1929 is already residing in US. He was born 24 Nov 1902 in Lindaas. In 1922 he was living in Bergen.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036704002836
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01065522047754
In 1926 he goes to US to his brother Martin Olsen at Fonda, Iowa.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXL8-7M6
He can probably be safely eliminated as in 1949 returns from Bergen to his home in Sioux City, Iowa with his wife Borghild:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24RP-FKX
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Elias Olsen Dvergsdal was born in Jølster 5 Sept 1897 His travel in 1925 was with possible relative Edward Dvergsdal. Elias was going to his brother Ole Dvergsdal in Portland Oregon. Edward was going to his brother Petter Dvergsdal in Wisconsin:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24RP-FKX
Here is Elias in 1910 Norway: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036730003454
He married a woman named Gudrun in 1929 and died 15 Feb 1943 in Portland with his wife and his brother Ole as only listed survivors.
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Oscar Elias Olsen Josok b 8 Feb 1896 d. in British Columbia Canada 6 Sept 1986:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLY7-6LY
Here he is in 1910 with mother and siblings:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036752004522
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Elias Olsen b 1897 fisherman of Aakra has been throughly examined in both this topic and this topic:http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6787&whichpage=4
He died in Massachusetts in 1958. He is eliminated.
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Johan Elias Olsen Klepp was born 11 October 1897 in Volda. Living with siblings and parents in 1910:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036754002040
His arrival in 1923 at New York:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JN8Y-LX3
As a sailor he could make port many times so this arrival coming from Halifax Nova Scotia to US in 1930 could also be he:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XG1Y-PWY
Or this one sailing 3rd class from Bergen in March 1930 whose last permanent address was Alaska:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK3B-CKHS
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Elias Olsen Tokheim entered US Oct 1925 last residing at Fort William Ontario, coming in through Mineral Center, Minnesota on his way to his uncle Jacob Tokheim at Loma, North Dakota. He's aiming for a permanent residence. He landed in 1923 at St. John NB.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKNP-BXDJ
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Edited by - jkmarler on 29/08/2018 13:56:21 |
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lynn peterson432
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Posted - 28/08/2018 : 06:40:11
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| post this document we want to read it Audrin |
Edited by - lynn peterson432 on 28/08/2018 06:41:58 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/08/2018 : 07:42:58
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quote:
Originally posted by Audlin
Hi Everyone - especially JaneC, jkmarler, jwiborg and Lyndal40. Ok so I have been chasing the wrong Elias. My mother died last November and in going through her papers my sister and I were unable to find ANY information on our father. There isn't a birth certificate or personal papers belonging to my father. He was indeed on the SS Carmania which sailed from Stavanger, Norway 18/4/24. The document is hard to read but my father did sign it and stated his age as 26. He arrived in Quebec, Canada in April 1924 (no specific day is mentioned just the month). My Elias married my mother on October 2nd, 1943. He was killed on March 9, 1952. I have copies of the death notice, the newspaper notices of the accident and the result of the trial (2 years prison for the driver). That is the only information my sister and I have. She has contacted the Canadian Government to see if he became a naturalised citizen but has yet to hear from them. So I will keep on looking. I do remember my mother saying he was from Bergen.
You don't have any personal papers concerning your father. Where did you obtain the Carmania document? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/08/2018 : 17:10:10
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Good find Jackie on the Magnhild name. Here is the family living in Stavanger in 1910.
1910
And living on Aakrehavn, Åkra in 1900. Good match with the data from the arrival document for Elias Olsen.
1900
And a good match location wise with the family of Elias Olsen also on Aakrehavn, Åkra in the 1900 Census.
1900
If you click on the arrows for Previous Domicile and Next Domicile they are next to one another in the census data. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/08/2018 : 13:18:58
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Anton's candidate from the Karmøy online bygdebok:
Bruksnr. 209. Solhaug.
Norges Bebyggelse side 473
? 1930-xxxx:
Elias Olsen født 30.11.1897
Ole B Oliversen og Hanna
Ӂkra
Gift i 1919 med Hanna Larvik
født 17.03.1896
Datter av Ånen og Serina ”Tysvær
Barn:
a)Ole E født:
17.09.1920
b)Ånen
født:14.04.1922
c) Henry
født: 15.10.1923
Here in the Karmøy book is Elias with his birth family. It says he went to America:
2. 1887-1929:
Ole Berdines Olsen
, født 1863, død 07.01.1929
Sønn av Ola Oliversen
og Berta Marie Olsdatter
”Forrige bruker
Gift 1.gang i 1887 med
Inger Marie Eriksdatter
, født 1863, død 1888
Datter av Erik Larssen og Nilsine Andersdatter
”Medhaug bnr. 2
Gift 2.gang i 1895 med
Hanna Lovise Eliasdatter
, født 1861, død 1927
Datter av Elias Tønnessen og Johanna Eliasine Johannesdatter
Ӂkra bnr. 43
Barn i 1.ekteskap:
a) Lars Edvard født:1888 Død 1895
Barn i 1.ekteskap:
b) Inger Edvardine født: 12.10. 1896
Gift med Ingvald Rosenius Pedersen
Ӂkra bnr. 55
c) Elias født: 12.12. 1897
Gift med Hanna Bertine Ånensdatter ”Amerika
d) Ole Mandius født: 09.07. 1899
Gift med Gerda Helene Jørgensdatter
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There were only 4 Elias Olsen in the book, and only one mentioned going to US.
Two different birthdates for the same man?
No born 30 Nov 1897 and baptized 12 Dec 1897 #25:
SAST, Kopervik sokneprestkontor, H/Ha/Haa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. A 4, 1882-1905, p. 67
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050901030363
Other Elias' not all noted as residents of Akre born 1896-1902:
An Elias noted as Ingvaldson although his father is Andres Ingvald Olsen # 15:
SAST, Kopervik sokneprestkontor, H/Ha/Haa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. A 4, 1882-1905, p. 70
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050901030366
An Elias father is Elias Eliassen #21:
SAST, Kopervik sokneprestkontor, H/Ha/Haa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. A 4, 1882-1905, p. 81
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050901030377
Two Elias #22 whose father is Tonnes Eliassen and another #27 whose father is Tonnes Hansen:
SAST, Kopervik sokneprestkontor, H/Ha/Haa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. A 4, 1882-1905, p. 91
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050901030387
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/08/2018 : 17:19:57
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I am using this post since it lists his birth as 28 May 1900. Perhaps we can use that since we have pretty much ruled out most Elias Olsen we have found.
I wil use May 28 with father Ole and vary the birth years. I will look for first names that might morph into Elias. In 1900, only one.
Olaf Olsen Handeland
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Olaf Olsen Handeland
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 mai 1900 (28 May 1900)
Baptism Date: 24 jun 1900
Baptism Place: Skånevik, Hordaland, Norway
Father's Age: 1857
Mother's Age: 1866
Father: Ole Johan Olsen Handeland
Mother: Johanne Tollefsen
FHL Film Number: 1283392
Reference ID: BK1 P52 CN7
The family in 1910
1910
None in 1899 or 1898.
One in 1901
Name: Einar Endresen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 mai 1901 (28 May 1901)
Baptism Date: 28 jul 1901
Baptism Place: Barbu, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father's Age: born 1863
Mother's Age: born 1862
Father: Ole Tarvald Endresen
Mother: Emma Kristine
FHL Film Number: 1283344
Reference ID: Book 2
Found him in Kansas City under Einar Endresen. Lots of records for him including this one.
Einar Endresen
in the U.S., Index to Alien Case Files at the National Archives at Kansas City, 1944-2003
Name: Einar Endresen
Birth Date: 28 May 1901
Country of Origin: Norway
Registration Number: 4543764
Also tried Olsen as a last name. Found none in 1900, or 1899 and one Thoralf Otto Olsen in 1898 but found him in New York in 1942.
Found one in 1901 but it would be a stretch to turn Alv Bjarne into Elias
Name: Alv Bjarne Olsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 mai 1901 (28 May 1901)
Birth Place: Kongsberg, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism Date: 28 jul 1901
Baptism Place: Kongsberg, Buskerud, Norway
Father: Peter Kaspar Olsen
Mother: Ragnhild Kristine Christiansen
None in 1902 |
Edited by - AntonH on 29/08/2018 18:01:12 |
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lynn peterson432
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Posted - 01/09/2018 : 16:13:40
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
[quote]Originally posted by jkmarler
The Montreal Gazette newspaper is still available online in the Google News Archive. The site is a bit quirky these days, searches for newspaper mentions prior to 1970 will produce no results, so you have to browse, issue by issue, page by page. Perhaps you will snag a news article about the crash death of Elias Olson on 9 March 1952 and also find an obituary with more biographical information. Good Luck!
Link:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19860107&b_mode=2&hl=en
Great tip,Jackie! 
The Montreal Gazette - Mar 10, 1952, page 17:
[/quote the person who was killed first name aleas not elias |
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lynn peterson432
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Posted - 02/09/2018 : 15:57:37
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| the information on elias most likely came from his drivers license that woud give date of birth name streeth adress |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/09/2018 : 18:48:12
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| Lynn, you assume Elias was driving and was a driver. In the account it says he was on the road when hit. He may have been walking home. Very, very few people named Aleas in Norway, exactly 3 are found by the Digitalarkivet search engine. More than likely, it's a typo which happen frequently in days of yore and also today. |
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lynn peterson432
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Posted - 02/09/2018 : 21:44:06
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| lot of people carry there driving license with them when not driving the poiice would need some way to indentity him so he must have had sometimg on him that the police knew who he was |
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Family of Elias Olsen
