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olavveka
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 Posted - 13/12/2020 : 17:32:19
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Bård Samuelsen Foss, b. July 10, 1864, in Suldal, Rogaland
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1694/11206/48
Parents: Samuel Olsen (1819-92) and Barbro Bårdsdotter (1825-69)
is said to have emigrated in 1882, but disappeared without a trace (unsure if he emigrated at all). No reliable traces, not even confirmation of his emigration. A sister, Brønla Foss, b. 1847, lived in North Dakota, married to Jacob Lee (Lie) from Suldal. Another sister, Anna, b. 1851, married 1. Nils Helganes, 2. Lars Østerhus in Minnesota. Anna returned to Norway as a widow in 1911, no children. She received a couple of letters from America from a Bill Samson, which she returned unopened. Later she thought these might be from her brother. The family asked the Salvation Army to try to find Bård, without results. A Bird S. Foss turns up in Alaska, b. 1858, married to Christina Foss, b. 1858, but there are several things that don't add up here, among others the birth year, which is 6 years earlier. In any case, this is the closest we have gotten. We surely would appreciate if anyone can dig up some info, even if it regards this 'Bird'.
Thank you - Tusen takk - and God Jul! |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/12/2020 : 18:57:32
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Bird S Foss in the 1920 US census at Ancestry:
Name: Bird S Foss [Baard S. Foss]
Age: 62
Birth Year: abt 1858
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1920: Iliamna, Third Judicial District, Alaska Territory
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1879
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Christina Foss
Father's Birthplace: Norway [Forest river, N. Dakota]
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: Norwegian
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: T??
Industry: F?? M??
Employment Field: Own Account
Home Owned or Rented: Owned
Naturalization Status: Naturalized
Naturalization Year: 1885
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Bird S Foss 62 Head
Christina Foss
62 Wife
Next to them live a Samuel Foss and his brother Harold Foss, both born in North Dakota. Samuel b about 1882 and Harold b about 1888. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/12/2020 : 19:02:02
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Data from 1930 census for Samuel Foss:
Name: Samuel B Foss
Birth Year: abt 1882
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age in 1930: 48
Birthplace: North Dakota
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1930: Iliamna, Third Judicial District, Alaska Territory, USA
Map of Home:
Radio Set: No
Able to Read and Write: No
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Household Members Age Relationship
Samuel B Foss 48 Head
Sophie R Foss
27 Wife
John S Foss
9 Son
Dorothy S Foss
7 Daughter
Benjamin S Foss
4 Son
Hazel B Foss
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/12/2020 : 19:05:04
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Bird S Foss and family in 1910 census in Alaska:
Name: Samuel Foss
Age in 1910: 28
Birthplace: Dakota [Denmark]
Home in 1910: Iliamna, Division 3, Alaska Territory
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Rertenes Foss
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Name: Christina Foss
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Rertenes Foss 50 Head
Christina Foss 50 Wife
John Webster 32 Lodger
Samuel Foss 28 Son
Sophie Hendrickson 28 Lodger
Harold Foss 21 Son |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/12/2020 : 19:15:03
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There is a family tree at Ancestry that identifies the son Harold Foss' father as this:
Bård Samuelsson Fosstveit
and Harold's name as: Halfton "Harold" Sophus Foss
Here is the family in the 1885 Dakota Territorial census:
07-005-18 Fastveit, Barney 27 Farmer Norway Walsh
07-005-19 Fastveit, Christina 27 Norway Walsh
07-005-20 Fastveit, Samuel 3 Dakota Walsh |
Edited by - jkmarler on 13/12/2020 19:16:47 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/12/2020 : 19:27:55
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In the ELCA records there is a baptism of a boy named Samuel born to parents named Baard S and Christina Fostvedt in 1881 in a congregation Ancestry calls Golber Valler but which is actually called Golden Valley Lutheran.
Is your Baard's farm Fosstveit? |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/12/2020 : 21:11:17
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Anna Samuelson, widow married Lars Larsen Østerhus on 31 Dec 1889 in Buxton, Dakota at the Ny Stavanger Lutheran church (which later became part of the Buxton Lutheran church).
Baar in the 1865 census of Suldal:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038211000046
Baar is alive in the 1875 census of Suldal:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052252000048
His father Samuel Olsen and his 2nd wife and 3 of their children in 1891, Baar is not with them:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052940000448
Baar is still alive in 1878 when he is confirmed #20:
SAST, Suldal sokneprestkontor, IV/L0011: Parish register (official) no. A 11, 1878-1900, p. 117
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070219640316
There is a gap in the outmigrants list of Suldal between 1878-1885, see left page here:
SAST, Suldal sokneprestkontor, IV/L0011: Parish register (official) no. A 11, 1878-1900, p. 276
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070219640443
Perhaps one of the Norwegian readers can tell what the note means....Please?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/12/2020 : 22:00:51
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Here is Samuel Olsen Foss's dodfallsprotokol (middle of page):
SAST, Suldal lensmannskontor, Gga/L0001: "Dødsfall for Lendsmanden i Suldal", 1892-1945
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10511202064003
Says he is survived by wife and 8 children, 3 in America. How does the count add up?
1. Bronla is in America
2. Anna is in America
3. in America
1. Barbro Samuelsdatter in Norway (1892 in Sand birth of child)
2. Britta Samuelsdatter in Norway (in 1891 census)
3. Torstein Samuelson prob. in Norway (in 1891 census)
4. Samuel Samuelson prob in Norway (in 1891 census)
5. Ole Samuelson b 1878 prob in Norway (in 1891 census)
Do you know the fate of the older brother Ole Samuelson b 5 April 1860? Nevermind see below.
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/12/2020 : 00:29:37
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Perhaps Ole Samuelsen and Baard Samuelsen became sailors? There is a book in the National Library site which appears to be about sailors from Suldal, I can't access it:
Tittel
Sjøormen i Suldalsvatnet : dramatikk frå Suldal
Forfatter
Lauritzen, Merethe | Bråtveit, Ola
Publisert
Merethe Lauritzen og Ola Bråtveit, 2019 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/12/2020 : 03:30:29
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Probably the brother Ole Samuelson's (d.e.) confirmation in 1874 #15:
SAST, Suldal sokneprestkontor, IV/L0010: Parish register (official) no. A 10, 1869-1878, p. 105
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070219640097
Probable death of Ole Samuelsen on Foss in 1877 # 31:
SAST, Suldal sokneprestkontor, IV/L0010: Parish register (official) no. A 10, 1869-1878, p. 169
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070219640154
If there are no additional as yet unaccounted for children of Samuel Olsen, then Baard has to be the 3rd child in America.
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/12/2020 : 16:11:40
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Regards Bill Samson have not found much useful. Here is a long shot William Norwick who has the exact birthdate found in 1901 Canada census :
Name: William Norwick
Gender: Male
Race: White
Racial or Tribal Origin: Norwegian
Nationality: American
Marital status: Married
Age: 36
Birth Date: 10 Jul 1864
Birth Place: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1900
Religion: Methodist
Occupation: Engineer
Hourly Wage: 1000
Months Employed Other: 8
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
Can Speak French: Yes
Province: British Columbia
District: Yale and Cariboo
District Number: 5
Sub-District: Kootenay (West/Ouest), (Rossland Riding/Division Rossland)
Sub-District Number: 5
Family Number: 162
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
William Norwick 36
Inga Norwick 24
Edna Norwick 1
There is a family tree in Ancestry which gives William's place of origin as Orkdal, Trondelag, Norway, so a short brief possibility.
William S Norwick's death certificate gives his birth date as 17 July 1865, so we have dueling records anyway.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6569-56Y
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olavveka
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 21/12/2020 : 17:17:05
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| In this case there are two persons Baard Samuelsen Foss. The missing Baard was born in 1864 at the farm FOSS in Suldal. Most of these posts concern the other Baard Samuelson Foss, born 1857 at the farm Fosstveit in Sauda, who picked the reduced and simplified form Foss instead of Fosstveit. The one from Sauda is the person ending up in Alaska, and judging from the info in this string, so far nothing indicates that we have gotten closer to the Suldal person in question. The good thing is though, that we can overlook the Sauda Baard completely, who for some time I figured had to be the missing one. But as I mentioned starting the thread, we are not a hundred % sure that he actually left the country. After quite many years search I feel it is about time to leave the mystery as it is - a mystery. Thank you, Tusen takk, to those involved. |
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Baard Foss disappeared in America?
