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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 23/03/2021 : 06:02:34
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I'm wondering what made her go to Cleveland? Only 41 Norwegians in Cuyahoga, Ohio in Census-1880:
Jan Peter points out an item that has also puzzled me. I have to believe that she must have know someone or had a relative in or around Cleveland to have ended up there isn 1881 or so. Phillip if you can figure that out, it might point to a connection to Norway that would give some clarity as to where we should be looking.
Jan Peter gives the number of people of Norwegian birth in Cuyahoga County in 1880 as 41. A comparison to another county with a mid-size city would be Hennepin County. In Hennepin County in 1880 there were about 3,000 people listed as being born in Norway. Even in a smaller county like Ramsey with the city of St Paul there are listed about 700 people born in Norway in the 1800 Census.
She did not end up in Cuyahoga County by chance. |
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Philip Stinson
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 23/03/2021 : 14:08:46
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Originally posted by lyndal40
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I'm wondering what made her go to Cleveland? Only 41 Norwegians in Cuyahoga, Ohio in Census-1880:
Jan Peter points out an item that has also puzzled me. I have to believe that she must have know someone or had a relative in or around Cleveland to have ended up there isn 1881 or so. Phillip if you can figure that out, it might point to a connection to Norway that would give some clarity as to where we should be looking.
Jan Peter gives the number of people of Norwegian birth in Cuyahoga County in 1880 as 41. A comparison to another county with a mid-size city would be Hennepin County. In Hennepin County in 1880 there were about 3,000 people listed as being born in Norway. Even in a smaller county like Ramsey with the city of St Paul there are listed about 700 people born in Norway in the 1800 Census.
She did not end up in Cuyahoga County by chance.
I have written to my ex-wife and her sister with your questions. They are the Great-Granddaughters of Carrie. I am not hopeful that they will be able to answer why she went to Cleveland but I will let you know. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 23/03/2021 : 17:14:43
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The death protocol for tanner Michael Torkildsen from October 1st 1885 was an amazing find! Looks promising...
Etterlatte: En Datter i Christiania, der ikke Kjendes under andet Navn end Mad. Ruud. 1 Datter gift i Amerika. 1 Søn hvis opholdssted ikke Kjendes, ligesaa som begges Navn.
Survivors: One daughter in Oslo, who is not known by any other name than Mrs Ruud. 1 daughter married in America. 1 son whose whereabouts are not known, as well as both names.
- "Mrs Ruud" is Birthe Emilie Thorvalda Ruud nee Thorkildsen, born 20 Dec 1847, dead 17 Sep 1894
- "1 daughter married in America" is Kaia Sofie Thorkildsen/Michaelsen, born 29 Jun 1859
- "1 Son whose whereabouts are not known" is their brother Thorvald August Thorkildsen, born 06 Sep 1842
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 23/03/2021 : 17:42:26
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More children to Michael Torkildsen & Marie Andersdr.
Milie Mathilde
Christening: 8 Jun 1845, Domkirken, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
"Malie" Mathilde dies of measles 28 Mar 1847
Max Aimar
Christening:18 Sep 1853, Domkirken, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Census-1865 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:DDCS-6X3Z
Sorry for reposting. I've missed the previous findings of tanner Michael Torkildsen's obit and the children's records.
Having a son Max Aimar in addition to Thorvald August means he have 2 sons....? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 23/03/2021 : 18:20:43
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| Yes, I posted the Max Aimer Torkildsen sailor's record in the big previous post about everybody. I think it says romt in 1872. I also looked for Thorvald Mickaelson in the sailor's records index but found no match to the son. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 23/03/2021 : 18:32:56
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Yes, I posted the Max Aimer Torkildsen sailor's record in the big previous post about everybody. I think it says romt in 1872. I also looked for Thorvald Mickaelson in the sailor's records index but found no match to the son.
Yes, sorry for that.
I think it says disembarked 12 Jul 1872, Liverpool.
Max Aimer is a nut. What a name. Never seen anything like it in Norwegian records... Could he have continued to America, and sent letters home to his sisters....? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 23/03/2021 : 19:43:58
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| Yes there are lot of strange names in this family or should I say weird turns on names. Max is rare in Norway but you find a lot of Norwegian born Max in US (but no none seem to be himself.) Okay disembarked has a different connotation than romt. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 23/03/2021 : 20:16:24
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Originally posted by jkmarler
#1309 Max Aimar Thorkildson sailing schedule:
SAO, Oslo mønstringskontor, F/Fc/Fcb/L0004: Hovedrulle, 1868-1873, p. 134
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru20090416610134
It might say 12.7.72 Liverpool mønstret af B...? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 24/03/2021 : 00:39:57
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Another candidate is Katarina Nicolaisen emigrated in 1883 from Kristiansand. No destination.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000261523
Called Karen Katarina in the 1865 Census and living with her parents Nicolai Forsum and Larssine Nielsdatter in Bergen
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038248001732
Karine Cathrine Nicolaisdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Karine Cathrine Nicolaisdatter
[Karine Cathrine Hendriksen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 29 apr 1859
Baptism Place: Bergen, Bergen, Norway
Father: Nicolai Hendriksen
Mother: Lassine Nielsen
FHL Film Number: 123711
Reference ID: bk 10a p 178
Karine Cathrine
in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938
Name: Karine Cathrine
Gender: Kvinnelig
Record Type: dåp (Baptism)
Birth Date: 11 April
Baptism Date: 29 apr 1859
Baptism Place: Bergen, Norge (Norway)
Baptism Municipality: Domkirken parish
Entry Number: 55
Father: Nicolai Hendriksen
Mother: Lassine Nielsen
Nr. 56
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070223680198
Marriage of the parents
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000008927453
Catrine Nicolags
in the Canada, Arriving Passengers Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Catrine Nicolags
Gender: Female
Arrival Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1862
Departure Port: Belfast, Ireland; Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 13 Aug 1883
Arrival Port: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Dominion
Was she a married woman when she left?
This from Ancestry:
Name: Karine Katrine Fossum
[Karine Katrine Henriksen]
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 24 jun 1880
Marriage Place: Den Norske Kirke, Bergen, Bergen, Norway
Father: Nikolai Henriksen
Spouse: Gunder Andreas Gundersen
FHL Film Number: 1282921
Reference ID: B2 P330 E18
Again from Ancestry, still in Norway in 1891 census:
Name: Karen Karine Kattrin Gundersen
Gender: Kvinne (Female)
Marital status: Gift (Married)
Relation to Head: Hustru (Wife)
Kinship with Husband: Nei
Birth Date: 1859
Birth Place: Bergen
Residence Place: Bergens, Bergen, Bergen, Norge (Norway)
Ordinary Place of Living: Bergen
Counting District Number: 55
Houselist Number: 31
Person Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Relation to Head
Gunder Andras Gundersen Familiens overhode (Head)
Karen Karine Kattrin Gundersen Hustru (Wife)
Anna Larsine Gundersen Datter (Daughter)
Karl Gunder Nikkolai Gundersen Søn (Son)
Larsine Fossum Logerende hørende til Familien (Lodger)
I don't think the Nicholaison leaving in 1883 is the woman from Bergen. More likely this person:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038163004533
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000022798931
#90 Anne Katrine b 16 July 1858 father Nicholai Martinsen:
SAK, Øyestad sokneprestkontor, F/Fa/L0015: Parish register (official) no. A 15, 1857-1873, p. 21
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060113030025
#55 confirmation of Anne Katrine:
SAK, Øyestad sokneprestkontor, F/Fa/L0015: Parish register (official) no. A 15, 1857-1873, p. 272
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060113030276
Two of Anne Katrine's brothers are in US:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000705173
Erik Nicolaisen gradually became Erik Thompson:
Here in 1892: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ3K-MLQ
Here in 1900: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSF2-9NJ
Here in 1905: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKSM-3MR
Here in 1910: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M59B-SV2
Anne Karine's mother goes to New York in 1887:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000268919
and dies there in 1888, # 3
SAB, Den norske sjømannsmisjon i utlandet/New York, H/Ha/L0002: Ministerialbok nr. A 2, 1886-1888, s. 64
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060817030249
Anne Karine is out of the running here she marries in 1885 #90:
SAB, Den norske sjømannsmisjon i utlandet/New York, H/Ha/L0001: Parish register (official) no. A 1, 1878-1885
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060817030173
Or this person:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052189001725 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 24/03/2021 17:01:45 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 24/03/2021 : 19:55:27
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I wonder who is the informant for the death record of Micael Torkildsen in 1885?
Okt. 2 ved Hanna ...? Micael Torkildsen Snarøen. Dagarbeider. 76 Aar. Enkemand.
The full name of Michaels children were not known by the informant, so it can't be a close relative. Possibly a servant or housekeeper?
But the informant knew that one daughter was married in America. Carrie Sophie got married 8 months earlier (7 Feb 1885), and she could have sent letters home to her father which Michael then could have mentioned to this informant...
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 24/03/2021 : 20:35:08
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| Okay, I think his funeral record says something from Asker Sogneprest. Is he the informant for the dodfallsprotokol? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 24/03/2021 : 20:43:57
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| Christian Grønbech Døderlein was Sogneprest in Asker i 1885. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 24/03/2021 : 22:25:11
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The dodsfallsprotokol for Emilie #2550 mentions her widower's second marriage --is there anything of potential interest there?
SAO, Oslo skifterett, G/Ga/Gaa/L0016: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1892-1895, p. 272
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090513380275
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Searching for Carrie Sophie Nicholson
