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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 11/02/2022 : 17:29:23
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Might be getting interesting?
Ingeborg Kjerstine Olsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Ingeborg Kjerstine Olsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1866
Baptism Date: 30 Sep 1866
Baptism Place: Narbuvold,Hedmark,Norway
Father:
Ole Johnsen
Mother:
Kirsti Mikkelsdr
FHL Film Number: 124473
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/9260537:60092
Ingeborg Kerstine Olson
in the Wisconsin, U.S., Marriage Records, 1820-2004
Name: Ingeborg Kerstine Olson
Marriage Date: 15 Aug 1891
Marriage County: Barron, Wisconsin, USA
Spouse:
Ole Peter Hanson
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2022 : 21:01:30
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That's the theory: Martin Olson Moen born 14 Feb 1863, comes to US in 1889 after serving his time. His brother and sister are already here. He marries and is widowed or seperated and moves around a lot and then out west. Somehow he comes to misremember his actual year of birth (doing that by 1931) and since he remembers that incorrectly misremembers his year of migration as well, since he came when he was 26.
I think the key is the parents names. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/02/2022 : 21:06:25
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| Yes, I think we got the right man after a rather lengthy search. |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/02/2022 : 21:26:40
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| Well it did not help that the death record was ten years off on his birth year. |
Edited by - AntonH on 11/02/2022 21:27:05 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2022 : 21:30:26
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| Yes but, he self reported age 78 in 1931 as well at Multnomah county poor farm. Hard to say how someone goes about forgetting. |
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jkmarler
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3meterswell
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Posted - 19/02/2022 : 17:33:31
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| Great info. Thanks so much for continuing to dig. Still a lot to wrap my head around and integrate with my timeline draft. I have Seattle addresses for him from 1922 to his death and what you folks have sleuthed will help me fill in the time prior to that. If anyone stumbles onto anything else please add it to the thread. |
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3meterswell
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/03/2022 : 07:39:18
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Um not really but the first paragraph on the left page under his name contains his biographical info, when born, where born, when confirmed, parents names etc.
Directly below that begins the litany of crimes he committed, thefts beginning in 1885.
The next page has a grid beginning on the left gives a month by month accounting of his 8 month 10 day sentence, beginning in May 1887 through Dec 1887. I don't know what the numbers are recording
The first paragragh to the right of the grid is about his family, siblings etc.
The rest of the page deals with mentions of authorities and dates going into 1888 at Trondhjem and Salten. Perhaps parole?
My Norwegian is not good enough to do much more, perhaps one of the others could help with this? |
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jkmarler
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3meterswell
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Posted - 29/03/2022 : 21:26:29
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How do we reconcile the prison records using "Moe" as his last name rather than "Moen"?
Did convicted felons face challenges with immigration officials at that time? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/03/2022 : 22:08:50
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quote:
Originally posted by 3meterswell
How do we reconcile the prison records using "Moe" as his last name rather than "Moen"?
Did convicted felons face challenges with immigration officials at that time?
The name is more the same than not. En at the end of a word in Norwegian is an article. What's the difference between Donald J Trump and The Donald?
There's an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence. How many Martins were born in Tolgen Norway on 14 Feb 1863? How many born in Tolgen have Ole Johnson and Christine Mikkelsdatter for parents, how many have the same number of siblings with the same names and ages as in the family info section. Duplication possibilities are vanishingly small.
In general, I doubt that the Norwegian authorities would be too troubled to lose a small time criminal who has served his time. Their interest would be to be sure he wasn't currently wanted for some infraction at the time he was leaving. US customs and immigration might be more troubled, if they knew. US was not necessarily a welcoming place back in the day. But if they don't know, you might not volunteer such information. |
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3meterswell
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Posted - 29/03/2022 : 22:28:13
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| That's very helpful. Thank you. |
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Martin Ole Moen
