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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 19/02/2022 :  01:53:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by plnd94

Ole's wife in 1865 is Britha Halstensdatter .
Would she be mother of Eli?

Yes. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4GT-VHW
Note that Eli is the mother to child a-h, incl Kari Elisabet Seim. The mother to child i-m is Brynjulvs 2nd wife Gjertrud Håvardsdatter.

Austlandet means "Eastern country" and is the yellow circle in the map, as an opposite to Vestlandet, "Western country" which is the region Eidfjord (red dot) is in.
That he was found there by people from Legreid farm in Eidfjord makes me very surprised. In 1805 people did not travel from west to east like that... very strange indead...



Edited by - jwiborg on 19/02/2022 07:30:01
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 19/02/2022 :  09:54:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have played a little with the idea of who could have travelled to the eastern part of Norway and found this infant wrapped in silk.
Looking at the 1801-census, there are about 30 adult males living under the Lægreid farm. Most of them are farmers or cotters.
It's possible they could have traveled to a wedding, or to a market to sell apples. The fruit from the region is recognized as the best in Norway.
But most interesting are the two soldiers living there. They are likely to travel over longer distances.
One will probably not find an answer to this, but interesting to play a little with the possibilities...

Rikolf Hansen (1785) Lægrejd Øvre, son
Endre Gautesen (1779) Lægrejd Øvre, son
Halstejn Hendrichsen (1788) Lægrejd Øvre, son
Sjur Haagenssen (1788) Lægrejd Nedre, son
Haldor Halgjærssen (1774) Lægrejd Nedre, soldier, garrison in Bergen
Askaut Omundssen (1772) Lægrejd Øvre, national soldier
Lars Olssen (1778) Lægrejd Øvre, servant
SølfæstSølfæstsen (1778) Lægrejd Øvre, servant
Arne Heljesen (1768) Lægrejd Øvre, servant
Christopher Hanssen (1775) Lægrejd Nedre, servant
Hans Bertelsen (1775) Lægrejd Nedre, servant
Tosten Anderssen (1730) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Hans Olssen (1743) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Asbjørn Adamssen (1768) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Sølfæst Svendsen (1728) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Lars Omundssen (1768) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Ole Hanssen (1772) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Anders Tostenssen (1762) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Halstejn Pederssen (1750) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Christopher Magnussen (1735) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Hendrich Magnussen (1745) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Sjur Torbjørnssen (1723) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Magnus Christophersen (1762) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Gaute Endressen (1743) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Hans Tostenssen (1740) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Ole Omundsen (1754) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Anved Tostensen (1772) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Torbjørn Olssen (1767) Lægrejd Øvre, farmer
Haagen Sjurssen (1758) Lægrejd Nedre, farmer
Halgjær Haldorsen (1733) Lægrejd Nedre, farmer
Conrad Sjurssen (1761) Lægrejd Nedre, farmer
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plnd94
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Posted - 20/02/2022 :  02:28:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Very strange indeed. Sounds a little like Moses being found as a infant. Interesting possibilities of who may have traveled that far.

You showed 1865 Census where Olav Samsonsen 7 living with single mother Brita 35. Found a marriage of Samson Olsen to Britha Torbjornsdr 31 Oct 1861 at Starndebarm, Hordaland. Family Search attached to Samson Olson MX3B-MQK and Britha MX3B-M7S. Could this be parents of our Olav Samsonsen born 1859 ?
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jwiborg
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Posted - 20/02/2022 :  03:53:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No, this is a namesake.
Your Britha was 35 yo and born in Voss in census-1865.
This Britta Thorbjørnsdatter is 28 yo and born in Strandebarm in census-1865
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038232002144

188, birth of your Olaf shows his father as Samson Olsen Tverberg
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8323/41053/176
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000025974088

Samson Olsen Tverberg fathered another illegitimate child in 1867
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000027188029

Edited by - jwiborg on 20/02/2022 05:33:40
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/02/2022 :  16:54:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Perhaps father to another child since there doesn't actually appear to be a farm named "iverberg'?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000029218136

In trouble with the law, 15 days in prison on bread and water:
https://www.nb.no/items/03767995369649596ce8206c351e8fc9?page=593&searchText=%22Samson%20Olsen%20Tverberg%22

Edited by - jkmarler on 20/02/2022 17:04:00
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plnd94
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Posted - 20/02/2022 :  17:32:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for clarification. Good lesson - never make assumptions based on uncommon names. Lots of people have uncommon names and may get together.

Trouble with the law - too many illegitimate children? Was this 1864?

Who is this Samson Olsen Tverberg - finding a lot of possibilities?

Edited by - plnd94 on 20/02/2022 17:36:44
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jwiborg
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Posted - 20/02/2022 :  17:48:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Penal Code Ch.18 § 25 from 1842 which was the cause for Samson's 15 days on bread & water:
"A man, who has made 3 different women pregnant, without having been married to any of them, is punished with imprisonment."

Edited by - jwiborg on 20/02/2022 17:49:30
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plnd94
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Posted - 20/02/2022 :  18:19:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
3 strikes, you're out. If this was 1864, looks like he didn't reform as you found another illegitimate child in 1867.

Anything known about this Samson's parentage or possible marriage?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/02/2022 :  18:53:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He married one of the mothers, here by 1875:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052277004626

Here is the marriage transcription:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000007439511

Still with her in 1891:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052973004390

And marrying again in 1892?:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000006706687

And dying in 1903:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000571443

It looks like he is the only Samson Olsen in Voss in 1865 born in 1830s:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038235003173

#85 birth /baptism of Samson Olsen Tverberg
SAB, Voss sokneprestembete, SAB/A-79001/H/HaaParish register (official) no. A 12, 1823-1837, p. 146
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070524640244

Parent's marriage of the Samson Olsen b 1836:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000009191144

Edited by - jkmarler on 20/02/2022 19:56:43
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/02/2022 :  19:44:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg

The Penal Code Ch.18 § 25 from 1842 which was the cause for Samson's 15 days on bread & water:
"A man, who has made 3 different women pregnant, without having been married to any of them, is punished with imprisonment."



So the adjudication was in 1864 that means there is one more baby before that we haven't surfaced yet.

Here is Samson's father Ole Samsons Tverberg's death:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000635847

Edited by - jkmarler on 20/02/2022 19:53:21
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/02/2022 :  20:08:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by plnd94

3 strikes, you're out. If this was 1864, looks like he didn't reform as you found another illegitimate child in 1867.

Anything known about this Samson's parentage or possible marriage?



No harm, no foul. The baby was baptized the same day the parents married 14 Nov.
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plnd94
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Posted - 20/02/2022 :  21:22:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Takes amazing search skills to find all this good stuff!

In 1867, looks like Samson dodged the bullet and stayed out of prison.

On the 1892 marriage, looks like the bride is a lot younger born 1863,
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jkmarler
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Posted - 21/02/2022 :  00:11:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And a couple of babies with the new wife by 1900:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037314005647

The widow, a daughter and a grand son in the 1920 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01074006007728

Last child with Samson Olsen:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000032721687

Edited by - jkmarler on 22/02/2022 13:14:38
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plnd94
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Posted - 21/02/2022 :  02:36:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
1900 - son Knut and daughter Sunneva - are these children of his wife Elen?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 21/02/2022 :  18:28:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That would be my supposition.

Elen with her birth family in 1865, her parents were born in Vos:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038384000504

Elen as a widow with one child in 1891 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052973005427

Elen marries a gentleman even older than Samson in 1886:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000966151

Knut on his own in 1920 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01074006007096

Knut in a household 1910 with many people and a couple of them with last name Seim:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036680006490

In an announcement titled Umyndiggjørelse a Knut Kjeldsen Takla is mentioned dated 18 Feb 1905, signed by Lars Abrahamson.
https://www.nb.no/items/e4430aab12c63c238039332827db7dce?page=0&searchText=%22knut%20kjeldsen%22

Sunniva's birth baptism transcribed:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000017248260

Edited by - jkmarler on 22/02/2022 13:12:13
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