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jkmarler
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 Posted - 19/01/2023 : 00:52:24
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dylankylesimon
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/01/2023 : 04:05:09
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Engagement of Even Findsen and Beret Olsdatter last on right page:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. 5, 1775-1789, p. 19
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660021
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 19/01/2023 : 04:32:35
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Engagement of Even Findsen and Beret Olsdatter last on right page:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. 5, 1775-1789, p. 19
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660021
Jackie! Again, thank you, thank you! I added everything today to my family tree from this post!
Got it. My Norwegian friend in Vaagaard says that her friend says about Øvern: He is pretty sure it is Øvern in Vestbygda. In the map it is called Aure.
For Even Finsen/Berit Olsdatter I found a couple new hints, but I can never find the scanned version, maybe you have more luck:
- Ole Evensen Christening 06 Feb 1780 in Norderhov
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHNC-97J
- Ole Evensen Christening 31 Dec 1780 in Norderhov
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHNC-972
- Peder Evensen Christening 23 Jun 1776 in Norderhov
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHNZ-ZMR
There also seems to be this record from 1801 3rd in Øvern showing Even Finsen, Berit Olsd, and Ole Evensen
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:8Y99-FMPZ
Also found a 17 Jul 1746 Marriage of an Even Finsen in Norderhov with a Kirstie Helgesdr, but again no image
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW6Z-ZJZ?treeref=LZ5T-6DQ
Some also suggested that an "Even bierch krodshered overen Findsen" was born 1722 in "Fla, Nes i Hallingdal, Buskerud, Norway" to a Find and Inge. Of course no source.
Given the 1801 census, I'd assume that death dates of 1801 for both aren't accurate but more a "After 1801" correct?
Someone metioned Guri's father with this record:
https://ibb.co/Tt1y4xJ
That person read: "Reyul raaen Rolfsen". They also added that this person died in 1757 in Krodsherad, Buskerud, Norway, given that Guri is 10 and that she was born in 1747. Can you verify anything? Or at least make out the correct names?
The Geni Profile suggested a name such as "Reiulf Rolvsen Råenhallen, Husband of Aase Sjursdatter Råenhallen" |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/01/2023 : 05:58:26
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Ole top baptism right page:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. 5, 1775-1789, p. 90
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660092
Even baptized 17 Oct 1722 middle of right page:
Nes kirkebøker, SAKO/A-236/F/Fa/L0002: Parish register (official) no. 2, 1707-1759, p. 62
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314640489
Even is baptized in Flå but the farm residence for him and his parents is not given. Of the faddere only two have a farm name Marte and Margit looks like Ganru which I would probably interpret as Gandrud. In the Flå bygdebok II page 516 under Gandrud, there is a Marte Jonsdatter who was married to Gandrud. She was born abt 1674 and died after 1734, so was living at the time of the baptism, so could be her. She was from Krodsherad and she had a daughter named Margit who was also alive, single and adult in 1722.
Even Findsen Rendalen from Krodsherad marriage engagement to the widow Kirsti Helgesd 2nd item from the top of right page:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0003a: Parish register (official) no. 3, 1740-1757, p. 67
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313650250
Even marriage 17 July 1746 2nd marriage on page performed in lunder:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0003a: Ministerialbok nr. 3, 1740-1757, s. 76
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313650259
He may be on a different farm now looks sort of like Brekke eie.
A really questionable possible child of Even and Kirsti, Torbiorn bapt 18 Mar 1747 in Lunder:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0003a: Ministerialbok nr. 3, 1740-1757, s. 85
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313650268
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Tobiorn Evensen b 1747 in 1801 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058270000096
A family tree at familysearch gives Torbiorn's parents as Even Poulsen and Kirsti Olsdatter, so I've exed this out.
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ToreL
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Posted - 19/01/2023 : 22:51:12
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon
Someone metioned Guri's father with this record:
https://ibb.co/Tt1y4xJ
That person read: "Reyul raaen Rolfsen". They also added that this person died in 1757 in Krodsherad, Buskerud, Norway, given that Guri is 10 and that she was born in 1747. Can you verify anything? Or at least make out the correct names?
The Geni Profile suggested a name such as "Reiulf Rolvsen Råenhallen, Husband of Aase Sjursdatter Råenhallen"
This card is from an official register (or a transcription of such, I am not sure) and should be quite reliable. You find it at Digitalarkivet here. It records the details about the heirs after someone's death, and the records/cards are alphabetized according to the farm where the deceased lived. In this case it says Raaen, nordre but then En plass derunder, i.e., the deceased lived on a subfarm (a plass) of Nordre Raaen. The name of the subfarm is not given here, but pl. (plass) Raaenhallen is listed among the deceased's assets, so very likely the subfarm in question is in fact Raaenhallen.
The name of the deceased is given as Rejul Rolvssøn. Rejul is a somewhat unusual spelling of the name Reiulf/Reiulv or Reidulf/Reidulv.
Råen and Råenhallen are modern spellings of Raaen and Raaenhallen. Possibly you may also find the spelling Halden/Råenhalden. |
Edited by - ToreL on 19/01/2023 22:54:45 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 20/01/2023 : 07:24:57
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Jackie and Tore, I had a long day at work and church afterward. Then I also went through a message and document, as well as your stuff, and finished the email, which I worked on from 11 PM to 1:20 AM. I'll be heading to bed, but I will add pretty much everything to the family tree this weekend. I also enlisted some help to maybe research further. In the end, I definitely appreciate Tore and your work. You basically changed my life, which brings me a lot of joy.
I summarized everything in an email, so you both can check your inbox. Feel free to keep digging, but I may be less responsive as I am adding all the information over the next couple of days or weeks. Everything is fresh in my mind now, and it's just so time-consuming!
Thank you again!
Simon
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/01/2023 : 20:58:31
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Originally posted by ToreL
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon
Someone metioned Guri's father with this record:
https://ibb.co/Tt1y4xJ
That person read: "Reyul raaen Rolfsen". They also added that this person died in 1757 in Krodsherad, Buskerud, Norway, given that Guri is 10 and that she was born in 1747. Can you verify anything? Or at least make out the correct names?
The Geni Profile suggested a name such as "Reiulf Rolvsen Råenhallen, Husband of Aase Sjursdatter Råenhallen"
This card is from an official register (or a transcription of such, I am not sure) and should be quite reliable. You find it at Digitalarkivet here. It records the details about the heirs after someone's death, and the records/cards are alphabetized according to the farm where the deceased lived. In this case it says Raaen, nordre but then En plass derunder, i.e., the deceased lived on a subfarm (a plass) of Nordre Raaen. The name of the subfarm is not given here, but pl. (plass) Raaenhallen is listed among the deceased's assets, so very likely the subfarm in question is in fact Raaenhallen.
The name of the deceased is given as Rejul Rolvssøn. Rejul is a somewhat unusual spelling of the name Reiulf/Reiulv or Reidulf/Reidulv.
Råen and Råenhallen are modern spellings of Raaen and Raaenhallen. Possibly you may also find the spelling Halden/Råenhalden.
In the 1974 Krodsherad book, Råenhallen is found under nordre Råen along with 26 other and varied names, + 4 husmanplass. |
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dylankylesimon
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jkmarler
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 24/01/2023 : 02:29:40
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Ragnvald says thank you for finding these entries! Of course, thank you again from me!
He dug through some books, which I, unfortunately, cannot access, but wished I had the original text.
Flå II 2003b by Terje Østro: Gards- og slektshistorie for Flå i Hallingdal : Gulsvikvaldet av Gulsvikfjerdingen
Page 141 under Vesle-Gandrud/Gandrud
Anders Bårdson remarried in 1700 Kari Lukasdaughter (died before 1741)
Children:
- Inge/Inger Andersdaughter (1703–died between 1750 and 1765) married Finn Evenson, probably lived at Finneplassen under Lindelia, Flå and Finnevollen under Ørgenvika, Krødsherad (joined with Ringerike in 1964).
- Inge remarried Ole Johannesson in Krødsherad 1738.
Inger Andersdatter Gandru? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWQ1-75V - Is there a scanned version?
Finnevollen is situated next to Brekka.
Flå I 2003a by Terje Østro: Gards- og slektshistorie for Flå i Hallingdal : Sørbygda av Gulsvikfjerdingen
Page 640 under Finneplassen
Finn Evenson (died before 1738) married 1721 Inge/Inger Andersdaughter from Vesle-Gandrud under Olasgarden Gulsvik (1703–probably buried 2. march 1786), died at Finnevollen, helped by poor relief at her elder days
Second Flaa (Left Page) Find Evensen og Inge Andersdatter, https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000010199181
Not sure what it says afterward or on top of the page?
Are the dates correct?
Engagement: 29 Jun 1721?
Marriage: 21 Sep 1721?
Five children, the eldest:
Even Finnson (1722–died after 1801) married Kirsti/Kjersti Helgesdaughter Kroksrud and lived in 1753 at Brekkeeie, 1765 probably at Finnevollen. At least four Children. Remarried in 1777 with Berit Olsdaughter. Lived 1777, 1780, and 1801 at a Place under Øveren. Children are also in this marriage.
In 1711 Finn was a servant at Lindelia.
In 1723 probably a cottar at Finneplassen/Lindelieie.
Probably the place got its name from Finn, the only known settler here.
The Author, Terje Østro, means that Finn also gave his name to Finnevollen.
Be well,
Simon
Also:
- Peder Finsen 24 Jun 1725: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7M-DPJ - Is there a scanned version?
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 24/01/2023 : 10:32:25
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The 1974 Krodsherad I bygdebok page492 for Finnevollen #5 farm under Orgenvika gives a couple of sources for the name of the place. One is that an early inhabitant was named Finna and another is that it is named for finn or finntoppen a kind of grass (Nardus strickta)
Nardus stricta (matgrass) is a perennial grass (family Poaceae) that can grow to be more than 1 foot tall and is found in the southwestern ranges of Oregon. It is native to Eastern Europe. It favors grasslands, wetlands, and bog and marsh habitat. Known in California as an invasive plant.
https://www.cal-ipc.org › plants › nardus-stricta-profile
The Krodsherad entry starts with Ola Johannesen the 2nd husband of Inge Andersdatter.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 24/01/2023 : 10:42:20
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Second Flaa (Left Page) Find Evensen og Inge Andersdatter, https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000010199181
Not sure what it says afterward or on top of the page?
Are the dates correct?
Engagement: 29 Jun 1721?
Marriage: 21 Sep 1721?
The page top headings are Trolovelse og ____vielse 1721 engagements and marriages 1721, dates are correct.
The marriage was performed in Flå kirke. The cant or testatore are the bondsmen or witnesses to the wedding. Embrik Gandru is the husband of Marte Jonsdatter Gandru who was faddere to the baptism of Even Finsen. Eilef Wold is the other witness.
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