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jkmarler
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 Posted - 24/01/2023 : 10:45:31
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 25/01/2023 : 02:53:16
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| With the previous items/entries, I was able to save them properly. I would like to have the complete entry so that I can see everything that it says. Most of the time, the entries that we find, have some sort of additional information. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/01/2023 : 03:25:46
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right page last entry under Flaa towards middle of page:
Nes kirkebøker, SAKO/A-236/F/Fa/L0001: Parish register (official) no. 1, 1693-1706, p. 83
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314640400
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 25/01/2023 : 03:35:48
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Originally posted by jkmarler
right page last entry under Flaa towards middle of page:
Nes kirkebøker, SAKO/A-236/F/Fa/L0001: Parish register (official) no. 1, 1693-1706, p. 83
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314640400
Just so I properly read Ditto: Anders og Kari Handru, ... Barn Inger? No Lukasdatter or Baardsen right?
I also just emailed the National Library of Norway to retrieve those two pages from the two books mentioned by Ragnvald |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/01/2023 : 13:58:49
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon
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Originally posted by jkmarler
right page last entry under Flaa towards middle of page:
Nes kirkebøker, SAKO/A-236/F/Fa/L0001: Parish register (official) no. 1, 1693-1706, p. 83
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314640400
Just so I properly read Ditto: Anders og Kari Handru, ... Barn Inger? No Lukasdatter or Baardsen right?
I also just emailed the National Library of Norway to retrieve those two pages from the two books mentioned by Ragnvald
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/01/2023 : 19:51:11
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Here is the other Ole and it appears he has the same parents as the prior one and located on the right page the top baptism in the lowest section of baptisms at the bottom of the page under Lunder:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1775-1789, s. 103
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660105
So did the first one die and the second is a namesake? or???
A possible death for a child of Even Findsen.
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1775-1789, s. 94
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660096
located on right page in the section of 4 burials, 3rd one this was at Lunder. Fathers patronymic might also be interpreted as Even Christnsen with the C being made as an X.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 26/01/2023 : 00:08:45
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Flå I 2003a by Terje Østro: Gards- og slektshistorie for Flå i Hallingdal : Sørbygda av Gulsvikfjerdingen; Side 640
FINNEPLASSEN
Et stykke ovafor jernbanelinja (i retning opp for Gjestebråten), på ei hylle i lende opp under berga, ligger det en nedlagt plass som heiter Finneplassen. Det har nok opphavlig vært ei slåtte her til opphavsgarden, som med tida blei bygd opp og det blei sått ned bygselfolk. Men slik som lende er til denne plassen, så virker det utrulig at dette, ved sia av Bakkan, er de først kjente bygselbruka under Lindelien, da i forhold til Gjestebråten og Strandbråten, som har vært langt bedre plasser. Forklaringa kan være at det opphavlig har vært en heimseter her.
A little way above the railway line (in the direction up Gjestebraaten), on a shelf leaning up under the rock, there is a disused square called Finneplassen. There was probably originally a mowed area here for the homestead, which was built up over time and settlers were settled. But as the slope is to this place, it seems incredible that this, at the mouth of the Bakkan, is the first known building farm under Lindelien, then in relation to Gjestebraaten and Strandbråten, which have been far better places. The explanation could be that there was originally a homesteader here.
De første og eineste en kjenner til som nok har budd her var:
Finn Eivindsen d før 1738 g 1721 m Inge/Inger Andresdtr. fra Vesle-Gandrud (under Olasgarden Gulsvik) f 1703 d nok 1786 (ho er ikke registrert i ekstraskatten 1765, men 2. mars 1786 blei gravfesta Inger Olsdtr. Finnevollen, legdslem og 80 år).
The first and only ones I know of who probably bid here were:
Finn Eivindsen death before 1738 and 1721 married Inge/Inger Andresdatter from Vesle-Gandrud (under Olasgarden Gulsvik) born 1703 death probably 1786 (she is not registered in the extra tax in 1765, but on 2 March 1786 Inger Olsdatter Finnevollen, legdslem and 80 years old, was buried).
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Children:
1. Eivind Finnsen f 1722 d etter 1801 g m Kjersti Helgesdtr. fra Kroksrud, Soknedalen; budde i 1753 på et Brekkeeie, Krødsherad, i 1765 var de på en plass under Ørgenviken (gjerne Finnevollen), hadde i alle fall 4 barn. Attg 1777 i Lunder m Beret Olsdtr.; budde 1777, 1780 og 1801 på en plass under Øveren i Soknedalen, hadde flere barn også i dette ekteskapet.
Eivind Finnsen born 1722 death after 1801 and married Kjersti Helgesdatter from Kroksrud, Soknedalen; bid in 1753 on a Brekkeeie, Krødsherad, in 1765 they were on a place below Ørgenviken (preferably Finnevollen), had at least 4 children. Attg 1777 in Lunder m Beret Olsdatter; bid in 1777, 1780 and 1801 for a place under Øveren in Soknedalen, had several children also in this marriage.
2. Per Finnsen f 1725 d ca. 1766 g 1753 i Nes m Kjersti Rasmusdtr. fra øvre Storeli (under Nørdre-Li), Nes; budde nok i Espelund (under Gullingsrud), Nes.
Per Finnsen born 1725 death approximately 1766 married 1753 in Nes m Kjersti Rasmusdatter from upper Storeli (below Nørdre-Li), Nes; probably bid in Espelund (below Gullingsrud), Nes.
3. Ola Finnsen f 1729 d nok liten.
Ole Finnsen born 1729 death probably small.
4. Ola Finnsen f 1730 (døpt 1. januar 1731).
Ole Finnsen born 1730 (baptized 1 January 1731).
5. Jon Finnsen f 1734.
Jon Finnsen born 1734.
Flå II 2003b by Terje Østro: Gards- og slektshistorie for Flå i Hallingdal : Gulsvikvaldet av Gulsvikfjerdingen; Side 141:
Vesle-GANDRUD/GANDRUD
Løpenr. 102, gnr. 29 bnr. 4
«Vesle-Gandrud» ligger på Gulsviksida, mellom Gulsvik og Store-Gandrud, og grenser ellers ned til «Gølsvikjedne». Opphavlig var vel dette en lut av ei større slåtte, Gandrud, som har hørt til Gulsvik. Denne slåtta har etter delinga vært lagt til Olasgarden Gulsvik, og med tida blei det bygd hus og det blei satt ned bygselfolk her. De første en kjenner til som budde her var:
"Vesle-Gandrud" is located on Gulsviksida, between Gulsvik and Store-Gandrud, and otherwise borders down to "Gølsvikjedne". Originally, this was probably a lute from a larger farm, Gandrud, which has belonged to Gulsvik. After the division, this meadow was added to Olasgarden Gulsvik, and over time houses were built and settlers settled here. The first people known to bid here were:
Andres Bårdsen trulig fra Bårdsplassen f ca. 1660 d 1741 g m Inge Andresdtr. d mellom 1696 og 1700.
Andres Baardsen probably from Baardsplassen baptism 1660 death 1741 and married Inge Andresdtatter death between 1696 and 1700.
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1. Margit Andresdtr. d før 1741 g m Halvor Vestmann på Hovdeeie, Modum; hadde 6 barn etter seg i 1741 (Anders, Ole, Inger, Berit, Ingebor og Siri).
Margit Andresdatter death before 1741 and married Halvor Vestmann at Hovdeeie, Modum; had 6 children after him in 1741 (Anders, Ole, Inger, Berit, Ingebor and Siri).
2. Liv Andresdatter f 1696 d før 1741.
Liv Andresdatter born 1696 death before 1741.
• Andres Bårdsen blei attg 1700 m Kari Lukkasdtr. d før 1741.
Andres Baardsen was attg 1700 married Kari Lukkasdatter death before 1741.
• Kari var vel søster til Birgit Lukkasdtr. som blei g m Ola Guttormsen Leknes- Ringerud, se der. Disse to er opphavet til Lukkasnavna i Hallingdal og Ådalen.
Kari was probably Birgit Lukkasdatter's sister. who stayed with Ola Guttormsen Leknes-Ringerud, see there. These two are the origin of Lukkasavna in Hallingdal and Ådalen.
• Kari hadde vel et barn før ho gifta seg, for i 1692 blei ho stemna for leiermål med Torgjer Leknes (nok Torsen). Dette var nok purring på betaling av bot fra 1686. Dette barnet vokste ikke opp.
Kari probably had a child before she got married, because in 1692 she was voted for tenancy with Torgjer Leknes (probably Torsen). This was probably a reminder to pay a fine from 1686. This child did not grow up.
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3. Bård Andressen f 1701 d 1739 g 1722 m Ingebjørg Helgesdtr.; budde i 1725 i Listøen (nok som inderster), så på Nordgarden Tollefsrud, men i 1741 budde enka og 3 barn på et Vollseie.
Baard Andressen baptism 1701 death 1739 and 1722 married Ingebjørg Helgesdtr.; bid in 1725 in Listøen (probably as an inderster), then at Nordgarden Tollefsrud, but in 1741 the widow and 3 children bid on a Vollseie.
4. Inge/Inger Andresdtr. f 1703 d mellom 1750 og 1765 g 1721 m Finn Eivindsen; budde nok på Finneplassen (under Lindelien) og Finnevollen (under Ørgenviken) i Krødsherad. Attg 1738 i Krødsherad m Ola Johannessen.
Inge/Inger Andresdatter born 1703 death between 1750 and 1765 and 1721 married Finn Eivindsen; probably bid on Finneplassen (under Lindelien) and Finnevollen (under Ørgenviken) in Krødsherad. Attg 1738 in Krødsherad m Ola Johannessen.
Lukkas Andressen f 1705 d mellom 1764 og 1777 g 1730 i Nes m enka Sunneiv Tolleivsdtr. fra Køtarud, Nes; budde der. Attg 1746 i Nes m enka Ragne Østensdtr. fra nordre Heie (vokste opp på øvre Kvie, d 1777 som enke på Heie); budde der til de i 1760 bygsla en plass under Tronrud i Rukkedalen. Lukkas og Ragne var skyldte i tredje ledd og hadde kongelig løyve for å gifte seg.
Lukkas Andressen baptism 1705 death between 1764 and 1777 and 1730 in Nes married widow Sunneiv Tolleivsdatter from Køtarud, Nes; bid there. Attg 1746 in Nes married enka Ragne Østensdtr. from northern Heie (grew up on upper Kvie, death 1777 as a widow on Heie); bid there until in 1760 they built a place below Tronrud in Rukkedalen. Lukkas and Ragne were guilty in the third section and had royal permission to marry.
5. Syver Andressen f 1707 d før 1741.
Syver Andressen born 1707 death before 1741.
6. Jon Andressen f 1709 d 1709.
Jon Andressen born 1709 death 1709.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 26/01/2023 : 00:18:37
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Here is the other Ole and it appears he has the same parents as the prior one and located on the right page the top baptism in the lowest section of baptisms at the bottom of the page under Lunder:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1775-1789, s. 103
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660105
So did the first one die and the second is a namesake? or???
A possible death for a child of Even Findsen.
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1775-1789, s. 94
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660096
located on right page in the section of 4 burials, 3rd one this was at Lunder. Fathers patronymic might also be interpreted as Even Christnsen with the C being made as an X.
- Yes, you had already found the entries to both Ole Evensen Øvern. Ragnvald concluded that Ole Evensen Øvern Nr.1 likely died, and that Ole Evensen Øvern Nr. 2 Baptism 31 Dec 1780 is the father to Even Olsen Tranby Eie
- I can absolutely not read that entry, but this might be Ole Evensen Øvern Nr. 1?
- Is the Baptism date of 24 Jun 1725 correct for Peder Finnsen?
- Ole Finnsen 1731 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7M-K26 - Is there a scanned version? And if so can you confirm a 1 Jan 1731?
- Jon Finnsen Baptism 25 Mar 1734 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW79-3JS - Is there a scanned version?
- Probate Inger Andersdatter 9 Aug 1775 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6JVD-XCZP - Is there a scanned version?
Can you confirm?
- Marriage of Peder Finsen and Kirstie 1 Jul 1753 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7Y6-QXS; Right side, top block, in the middle: Engagement 07 Jul 1753 and Marriage 03 Sep 1753? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000010202435
Seven children?:
- Rasmus 7 Oct 1753 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7S-3V9 - Is there a scanned version?
- Kari 19 Jan 1755 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7S-4ZB - Is there a scanned version?
- Inge 5 Sep 1756 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7S-88J - Is there a scanned version?
- Margit 26 Nov 1758 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7S-P6D - Is there a scanned version?
- Liv Baptism 15 Feb 1761 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7S-K8N; 4th entry right page, Lie in one of the witnesses? Is the date accurate? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000043222325
- Ambior 20 Feb 1763 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW73-94N 1st entry left page, unsure about date? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000043225059
- #149 Peder 01 Nov 1766? I read 2 Nov and something in July. Does the farm seem to be Lie as in Lindelie? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000043185748
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/01/2023 : 01:58:18
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here is the other Ole and it appears he has the same parents as the prior one and located on the right page the top baptism in the lowest section of baptisms at the bottom of the page under Lunder:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1775-1789, s. 103
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660105
So did the first one die and the second is a namesake? or???
A possible death for a child of Even Findsen.
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1775-1789, s. 94
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660096
located on right page in the section of 4 burials, 3rd one this was at Lunder. Fathers patronymic might also be interpreted as Even Christnsen with the C being made as an X.
- Yes, you had already found the entries to both Ole Evensen Øvern. Ragnvald concluded that Ole Evensen Øvern Nr.1 likely died, and that Ole Evensen Øvern Nr. 2 Baptism 31 Dec 1780 is the father to Even Olsen Tranby Eie
- I can absolutely not read that entry, but this might be Ole Evensen Øvern Nr. 1?
- Is the Baptism date of 24 Jun 1725 correct for Peder Finnsen?
- Ole Finnsen 1731 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7M-K26 - Is there a scanned version?
- Jon Finnsen Baptism 25 Mar 1734 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW79-3JS - Is there a scanned version?
- Probate Inger Andersdatter 9 Aug 1775 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6JVD-XCZP - Is there a scanned version?
Can you confirm?
- Marriage of Peder Finsen and Kirstie 1 Jul 1753 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7Y6-QXS; Right side, top block, in the middle: Engagement 07 Jul 1753 and Marriage 03 Sep 1753? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000010202435
Trolovede engagement 7 July and marriage 3 Sept
Seven children?:
- Rasmus 7 Oct 1753 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7S-3V9 - Is there a scanned version?
- Kari 19 Jan 1755 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7S-4ZB - Is there a scanned version?
- Inge 5 Sep 1756 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7S-88J - Is there a scanned version? Yes on right hand page 2nd grouping of Nes up from bottom and is last entry in that grouping
Nes kirkebøker, SAKO/A-236/F/Fa/L0002: Parish register (official) no. 2, 1707-1759, p. 199
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314640632
- Margit 26 Nov 1758 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7S-P6D - Is there a scanned version? Yes Nes kirkebøker, SAKO/A-236/F/Fa/L0002: Parish register (official) no. 2, 1707-1759, p. 208 last one on left side
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314640641
- Liv Baptism 15 Feb 1761 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW7S-K8N; 4th entry right page, Lie in one of the witnesses? Is the date accurate? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000043222325
Baptism date is 15 Feb, there is no farm name given for the parents but only two of the faddere have a farm name: Even Olsen Eidahl and Guri Lie.
- Ambior 20 Feb 1763 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW73-94N 1st entry left page, unsure about date? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000043225059 Baptism is 20 Feb. This writer is grouping all the baptisms celebrated on the same date in the same church in this case Nes or Næs together under one headline.
- #149 Peder 01 Nov 1766? I read 2 Nov and something in July. Does the farm seem to be Lie as in Lindelie? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000043185748 Looks like 1 Nov for baptism to me. This writer puts a small dot above each one in the writing and there is a small one above 1 in front of November.
You should always look at both entries in the situation of the two Oles and search as appropriate for deaths.
A story I've heard about one family was that there were 3 children named Ole. The eldest was a little sickly and not expected to live, so the second child came along and he was named Ole with the expectation that the eldest was a goner. But Ole # 1 survived as well as #2. The elders grew up left home and Mom was missing her Oles and named her last child born 20 years after the first, Ole also.
Are you using Google translate or one of the others? Some of the conventional language of the bygdeboker didn't translate perfectly. |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 02/02/2023 : 20:01:18
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You said in 2022:
It seems to me that my mother told me after her trip to Ringerike in 1986 that there were some local legends among the people that there was some Finn ancestry on certain farms in Ringerike.
Given Finn Evensen, is that who you were referring to? Was there more to the story that you remember?
Thanks and be well,
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/02/2023 : 23:01:00
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon
You said in 2022:
It seems to me that my mother told me after her trip to Ringerike in 1986 that there were some local legends among the people that there was some Finn ancestry on certain farms in Ringerike.
Given Finn Evensen, is that who you were referring to? Was there more to the story that you remember?
Thanks and be well,
Simon
I think what was meant was Finns from Finland. The farm mentioned in the story was Pjaaka. But other than this, nothing else.
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ToreL
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Posted - 03/02/2023 : 00:11:43
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A piece on skogfinner, in case the topic hasn't already been covered.
I have no Finnish ancestry that I know of, but my grandmother was born in Ringsaker, and I match DNA with people who apparently have only Finnish ancestry themselves. |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 05/02/2023 : 01:18:24
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Originally posted by ToreL
A piece on skogfinner, in case the topic hasn't already been covered.
I have no Finnish ancestry that I know of, but my grandmother was born in Ringsaker, and I match DNA with people who apparently have only Finnish ancestry themselves.
This is interesting! Although my granduncle and I have no Finnish ancestry either, we do have Swedish & Danish Ancestry. We had always assumed its coming from the other side of the family, but perhaps it could come from this line as well? |
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dylankylesimon
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/12/2023 : 21:24:18
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon
Inger on the other thread found what I believe to be the first Ole Evensen Øvern 6 Feb 1780 death note on 7 May 1780.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660096
You already had that entry from before on this topic and forum! But nice that another person can find it also. |
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