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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 30/12/2023 :  19:17:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MarkMikk

Thank you so much, everyone! The information is fascinating. I am just learning how to navigate the Digitalarkivet website and have created a profile.

If anyone who reads Norwegian, I have Alfred's birth certificate and a letter (contract?) from the local authorities allowing my great-grandmother and her sons to leave Norway and immigrate to North America. I would really like to know what the documents say. I have them as img documents on my computer and can email them to someone to read. All I need is someone to provide me with their email address so that I can send them to you.

I am not able to figure out how to upload them to this website.



Depending on when your Alfred's certificate was obtained, there is a possibility that it was a document made by transferring the information contained in the church record of his birth and baptism to a standard form. Otherwise looking at the links provided for his baptism are the best & only you are likely to find in Norway. The Lutheran church in Norway is a state church and functions as a record keeping body on the people of Norway.

You mentioned that you are just learning about the Digitalarkivet. In times gone by the indexed records searchable on the Digitalarkivet side have been pretty reliable. However, I think that some of the indexing of the Furnes records have been outsourced to non Norwegian speakers for indexing and I found the work for some of the sibling's baptisms to not be 100% reliable. Some incorrect readings and in a number of cases the actual hyper link to the original scans not taking you to the correct record.

Good luck!
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/12/2023 :  19:25:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by AntonH

Nice bit of work by you two Tore and Jackie. The family trees for this family on Ancestry.com provide a good illustration on why one should be very careful of trees on Ancestry. Especially for trees managed by Americans when the tree ventures from America to Norway. I find 26 trees on Ancestr for family

Focusing on Erich Mikkelson found with the family by Jackie with the family in the 1900 census in Minnesota. The 1875 Census lists him as born in Furnæs, Hedmark. In the Ancestry trees I find him listed as born in Ringsaker, Hedmark as the closest birth placer to Furnæs. But I also find him born BIRTH 23 JUL 1873 • Stolen, Oppdal, Sor-Trondelag, Norway as well.

That leaves him with two sets of parents only one ow which is correct.




Many thanks!
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/12/2023 :  20:17:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well Ancestry.com might not always have accurate trees but the site is useful anyway. here is the marriage on the site. Gives the useful information of fathers of the bride and groom.

Mikel Larsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name Mikel Larsen
Gender Male
Marriage Date 3. nov 1872 (3 Nov 1872)
Marriage Place Furnes,Hedmark,Norway
Father
Lars Larsen
Spouse
Pernille Eriksdr
FHL Film Number 1282572

Pernille Eriksdr
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name Pernille Eriksdr
[Pernille Andersen]
Gender Female
Marriage Date 3. nov 1872 (3 Nov 1872)
Marriage Place Furnes,Hedmark,Norway
Father
Erik Andersen
Spouse
Mikel Larsen
FHL Film Number 1282572


https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3485001:60095
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/12/2023 :  20:30:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The orginal record is also useful as it gives the ages of the bride and groom. That and the father's names helps in searching for the baptism of Mikel and Pernille.

Nr 15

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061128350682

Transcribed Version


Mikel Larsen
in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938
Name Mikel Larsen
Gender Mannlig (Male)
Residence Age 31
Marriage Date 1872
Residence Place Sandbow
Spouse
Pernille Eriksdatter
Child
Lars

Pernille Eriksdatter
in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938
Name Pernille Eriksdatter
Gender Kvinnelig
Residence Age 24
Marriage Date 1872
Residence Place Sundvold
Spouse
Mikel Larsen
Child
Lars


https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/121429544:60606





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AntonH
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Posted - 30/12/2023 :  20:44:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So it turns out that in a search on Ancestry there is only one Pernille with father Erik Andersen born around 1850 in Vang og Furnes, Hedmark, Norway. So this is likely the baptism and birth of Pernille

Pernille Eriksdotter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name Pernille Eriksdotter
Gender Female
Birth Date 24. aug 1850 (24 Aug 1850)
Baptism Date 20. okt 1850 (20 Oct 1850)
Baptism Place Vang og Furnes, Hedmark, Norway
Father
Erik Andersen
Mother
Anne Jensdr
FHL Film Number 307210


https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/6606202:60092?_phsrc=Kua2&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=pernille&ml_rpos=3&queryId=43d2ffb7413c09a3abb79fcfb2df019e


Original record is Nr 198

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070118350527

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AntonH
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Posted - 30/12/2023 :  22:11:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The same approach can be used for finding the baptism of Mikkel.

Michel Larsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name Michel Larsen
Gender Male
Birth Date 8. okt 1843 (8 Oct 1843)
Baptism Date 12. nov 1843 (12 Nov 1843)
Baptism Place , Furnes, Hedmark, Norway
Father
Lars Larsen
Mother
Oliv Danielsdr
FHL Film Number 124477


https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/7868226:60092?_phsrc=Kua3&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=mikkel&ml_rpos=2&queryId=78bfe04e9a7fda52a37f9667c145935a


Original Nr 142

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070118350432




Edited by - AntonH on 30/12/2023 23:33:44
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/12/2023 :  22:28:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mother of Mikkal or Michel is Olive Danielsdatter, which is a unique enough name that we might be able to push the knowledge of this family back a few generations.

Here are some census records for this family

1865 Census

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038032003015


1875 Census

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052060004081

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AntonH
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Posted - 30/12/2023 :  22:45:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the marriage of Oliv and Lars in 1838. Her father is Daniel Andersen.

Oliv Danielsdr
in the Norway Marriages, 1600s-1800s
Name Oliv Danielsdr
[Oliv Andersen]
Age 23 years
Gender Female
Birth Date Ca.1815
Marriage Date 17. apr 1838 (17 Apr 1838)
Marriage Place Vang, Hedmark, Norway
Spouse Lars Larsen
Spouse's Age 23 years
Spouse's Gender Male
Spouse's Birth Date Ca.1815
Father Daniel Andersen
Spouse's Father Lars Larsen

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/311292:1346

The father of Lars Larsen born around 1815 is also named Lars Larsen

Original record is Nr 10

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070512930668




Edited by - AntonH on 30/12/2023 22:53:16
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/12/2023 :  23:00:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We run into a problem at this point. The only candidate for the baptism shows her father as Daniel Olsen not Daniel Andersen. It is going to be difficult to sort this out unless we can find a Bygdebok record.

Olive Danielsdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name Olive Danielsdatter
Gender Female
Birth Date 8. feb 1815 (8 Feb 1815)
Baptism Date 5. mar 1815 (5 Mar 1815)
Baptism Place Vang, Hedmark, Norway
Father
Daniel Olsen
Mother
Marthe Nielsdr
FHL Film Number 124478
Reference ID 2:289ZM62

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1488810:60092?_phsrc=qMt3&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=oliv*&ml_rpos=1&queryId=ee12fdee6b5807a8ecda24521d6cef9a


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AntonH
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Posted - 30/12/2023 :  23:33:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the original record, it would appear that Olive was born out of wedlock which may account for the confusion about her father's name.

https://u.cubeupload.com/AntonHagelee/Screenshot20231230at.png

Edited by - AntonH on 30/12/2023 23:40:15
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MarkMikk
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Canada
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Posted - 31/12/2023 :  00:14:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm having a great time looking at all of this research. Alfred Mikkelson immigrated to the U.S. in 1905 and ended up in Eolia, Pike County, Missouri where he married Dorthy Fillinger. From there, his travels are lost until he ends up in Strome Alberta Canada where he purchased a homestead farm. I can easily see that he would likely have ended up in Minnesota for a time.

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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 31/12/2023 :  00:20:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To complete Jackie's list of baptisms above, here is a search that returns the (possibly complete tally of) twelve children in Mikkel and Pernille'smarriage.

At first sight, Mina's baptism was in 1885, in contrast with what we have seen elsewhere. All transcriptions returned by this search are, however, of the "AMS type", meaning that they have been incorporated from the much lower quality transcription libraries built up by Ancestry, MyHeritage and Familysearch. If you click on the "See scanned version" link up on the left side (while reading the '85 match) you come to the original, which tells you that the baptism actuelly took place in '88.

As long as these low quality transcriptions are clearly marked, I personally have no trouble with them. For every match that turns up, you just have to look in the box for CONTRIBUTERS (or BIDRAGSYTERE in the Norwegian version) down on the right. If you find AMS there, it is a warning that you need to double check in the original.

Edited by - ToreL on 31/12/2023 00:33:17
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jkmarler
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Posted - 31/12/2023 :  06:47:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anders Mikkelsen's leaving Norway:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000523795
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jkmarler
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Posted - 31/12/2023 :  07:24:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Arrival of Pernille and children in 1908 at New York page 1:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9ND-GDG7?i=578&cc=1368704&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJXGB-1MR

Arrival page 2:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9ND-GDVB?i=579&cc=1368704

Edited by - jkmarler on 31/12/2023 07:25:56
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jkmarler
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Posted - 31/12/2023 :  07:30:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Johanna Mikkelson in 1910 census cooking for the George and Celie Odegard family in Oak Park Marshall county:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2LY-RR2
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