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KarenHansenSanders
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Posted - 09/11/2019 :  00:48:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

Here is a Tobias Larsen born in 1861 from Arendal, leaving Kristiansand in 1881. Adults (Parents?) are leaving as well and are Hans Larsen and Henrikke Larsen. Children besides Tobias are Ludvig age 16, Marius age 11.3, Hans age 8 and maybe Malvine age 24 and Mine age 10

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Here is the arrival of the family into New York Family consist of 8 people.

Hans Larsen
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Hans Larsen
Arrival Date: 7 Jul 1881
Birth Date: abt 1827
Age: 54
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: State of Indiana

Tobias Larsen
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Tobias Larsen
Arrival Date: 7 Jul 1881
Birth Date: abt 1861
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: State of Indiana



Hans and henrikka are helminas parents. Ludvig, marius, hans, and mine are her siblings. She is would have been 24 at that time so she is possibly the one whose name is unclear
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lyndal40
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Posted - 09/11/2019 :  00:51:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There might be a connection between the list of those who left from the parish of Tune, Østfold in August of 1879 and the group that left Arendal in June of 1881.

Tune, Østfold

Hans Larsen b 1825
Henrikke Hansdatter b1829
Marius b 1866
Mina Amalia b 1869
Hans Oskar b 1873

Helmine Petrine Hansdatter b 1858
Ludvig Hansen b 1863


Arendal, Aust-Agder

Hans Larsen b 1827
Henrikke Larsen b 1829
Tobias Larsen b 1861
Ludvig Larsen b 1865
Marrius Larsen b 1869
Hans Larsen b 1873
Mina Larsen b 1871
Malvine b 1857


Malvine must be Helene Petrine.

So did they pick up her husband or future husband in Arendal.

Edited by - lyndal40 on 09/11/2019 01:57:54
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lyndal40
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Posted - 09/11/2019 :  00:58:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the arrival of the group. Malvine is actually 10 years older than this list and must be Helene Petreine.

Hewikka Larsen (Henrikke)
7 Jul 1881 abt 1829 Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland Norwegian State of Indiana

Tobias Larsen
7 Jul 1881 abt 1861 Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland Norwegian State of Indiana

Ludwig Larsen
7 Jul 1881 abt 1865 Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland Norwegian State of Indiana

Marrius Larsen
7 Jul 1881 abt 1870 Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland Norwegian State of Indiana

Hans Larsen
7 Jul 1881 abt 1827 Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland Norwegian State of Indiana

Malvine Larsen (probably Hellene Petriene)
7 Jul 1881 abt 1867 Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland Norwegian State of Indiana

Nina Larsen (probably Mina)
7 Jul 1881 abt 1871 Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland Norwegian State of Indiana

Hans Larsen
7 Jul 1881 abt 1873 Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland Norwegian State of Indiana



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Edited by - lyndal40 on 09/11/2019 03:24:21
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/11/2019 :  07:41:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

I think this is Henrikke Hanson in the 1885 Minnesota State Census with two of her sons Morris (Marius) and Oskar. It may be that Marshall County would be a good place to look for the marriage of Hellene and Tobias.




So you don't think that Tobias Andreas Tolfsen =Tobias Tolfson = Tobias Andrew Hanson ? Otherwise, there will be two, or more, Tobias' living in Polk, Pennington and Marshall counties, and the marriage found in MOMS between Tobias Tolfson and Petrine Hanson in Polk refers to some other couple?

Here is one piece of pretty strong circumstantial evidence that they are one and the same:

From the Warren Sheaf published 22 Feb 1900 in the Delinquent Taxes supplement in Viking Township T155 R45,
Tobias Hanson is in arrears on se 1/4 ne 1/4 Lot 1 Sec 6

From the Warren Sheaf published 15 Feb 1894 Delinquent Tax List Viking Township Tobias Tollson is in arrears on seqr neqr Lot 1 Sec 6.

Same behavior / situation on the identical property 6 years apart.


Tobias Hanson's date of migration is kind of all over the board. The earliest is 1879 and the latest is 1887 from the various censuses.

Edited by - jkmarler on 09/11/2019 09:20:01
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/11/2019 :  07:59:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

A possible migrant Tobias:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000259793



Okay this one may be this old fellow found in Kandiyohi county in 1940:
(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSL9-514

Reinebo, Tobias A
State Census Index
Census ID: 4354261
Census Year: 1895
Census Location: Burbank, Kandiyohi County, Minnesota, United States
Subject: Census records
Type: Text, Government Record, Historical Records
Age: 33, Gender: Male, Ethnicity: White, Birthplace: Norway, Line: 13

Actual census shows that he has been 11 years in Minnesota, 2 1/2 years in this district.

Edited by - jkmarler on 09/11/2019 09:51:48
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/11/2019 :  09:31:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is Tobias' date of death:
Hanson, Tobias A.
Death Certificate Index
Certificate Number: 1937-MN-012613
Death: June 4, 1937
County of Death: Polk County, Minnesota, United States
Subject: Death records
Type: Text, Government Record, Historical Records

Finding an obituary would be nice.
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lyndal40
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Posted - 09/11/2019 :  09:45:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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So you don't think that Tobias Andreas Tolfsen =Tobias Tolfson = Tobias Andrew Hanson ? Otherwise, there will be two, or more, Tobias' living in Polk, Pennington and Marshall counties, and the marriage found in MOMS between Tobias Tolfson and Petrine Hanson in Polk refers to some other couple?


No I am fine with the Tobias being all those people. When I wrote the above I had forgotten your posting on the MOMS marriage records in Polk County. To much data for a small brain.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/11/2019 :  10:51:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Easy to do when names are similar and crammed into a space.

The date of arrival might be held in Tobias' naturalization records.

The vagaries of indexing are many.

The Grand Forks (N.D.) Herald reported on 11 July 1915 that on or about 10 July in Crookston Minnesota, 17 people were made US citizens. One of those listed is Tobias A Hanson.

All of the Tobias Hansons found at the Iron Range Interpretive site are these:
HANSON TOBIAS HENNEPIN
HANSON TOBIAS ROCK
HANSON TOBIAS RENVILLE
HANSON TOBIAS ROCK

These are all the Tobias of any last name found in Polk county:
EIDINSON TOBIAS POLK
JOHNSON TOBIAS POLK
JOHNSON TOBIAS POLK
OLSON TOBIAS POLK
OLSON TOBIAS POLK
TALEAR TOBIAS POLK
THOMPSON TOBIAS POLK
TOLLSEN TOBIAS POLK
TOLLSEN TOBIAS POLK
TOSTENSON TOBIAS POLK
TOSTENSON TOBIAS POLK
TOSTENSON TOBIAS POLK
VALEAR TOBIAS POLK
VALEAR TOBIAS POLK

And all Tobias of any last name in Marshall county are this:
TOLLSON TOBIAS MARSHALL

And then there is this rather unique spelling:
HANSEN TOBEAS ANDREW POLK

The Iron Range database are those from Federal records. Of course state courts and county courts can also issue naturalization records.

Edited by - jkmarler on 10/11/2019 00:38:49
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/11/2019 :  15:54:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tobias' birthdate in the 1900 census is July 1860.

Tobias Andreas Tolfsen is born 11 Feb 1861.

Here is another possible Tobias Andreas this time Larsen b abt 1861:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038190001600

#23 Tobias Andreas Larsen b 12 maybe October (it is very overwritten) 1861
SAK, Herad sokneprestkontor, F/Fa/Fab/L0004: Parish register (official) no. A 4, 1853-1885, p. 45
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070108670051

And another Lauritz Thobias Larsen
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038129000909

#21 Laurits Thobias Larsen b 11 Feb 1861
SAKO, Skien kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1856-1865, p. 51
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061128310539


Edited by - jkmarler on 09/11/2019 16:10:49
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jkmarler
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Posted - 10/11/2019 :  00:46:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Warren Sheaf reported in either 1894 or 1900 that there was a new post office planned and it was to be called Viking and Tobias Hanson was to be the postmaster.

Today in Ancestry saw a database titled US, Appointments of US Postmasters 1832-1971 and there was the Viking post office with Tobias Hanson appointed 2 Aug 1890 and the next postmaster was Morris Hanson appointed 21 June 1891, none that I saw after that.
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KarenHansenSanders
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Posted - 12/11/2019 :  23:25:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I want to thank you all for your suggestions, time, interest and help. I have a lot more to go on now. Re posts:
1) about edvard hansen..it was in trying to verify that he was in my family that i found this forum. And then the dna confirmed a connection.
2) the group that left the parish in 1879 was, from my research, tobias’s wifes family ( again confirmed connections through dna). They all came to America in 1881, and he apparently came along with them listed as Tobias Larsen.
3) the suggestion that he and Tobias Tollson were one and the same warrents looking into. I did find that one of Tolf And Anne Maries children was born in norway and died in Crookston. Minnesota. Crookston is where Tobias moved to after his first wife died. He and his second wifeJulia bought a house there and proceeded to raise the kids and live out the rest of their life there. The 3 sons came to the west coast in their 20’s (one of them my grandfather ) and the daughter stayed in the midwest.
4) i have already been in contact with warren county and they can research the land records. That will help regarding the piece of land which both tollson and hanson owned.
5) I also learned about how to access these other data bases for information through this forum. I will be working on that and perhaps i can get the birth certificate.

So again thank you all. And please dont hesitate to contact me with any further suggestions
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KarenHansenSanders
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Posted - 12/11/2019 :  23:28:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also the information about the postmaster assignment is like gold for me...i know about his later years but would never have known this about early years in the US. My family was very interested to hear this.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/11/2019 :  01:39:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KarenHansenSanders

I did find that one of Tolf And Anne Maries children was born in norway and died in Crookston. Minnesota.




Where did you get that piece of information?
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KarenHansenSanders
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Posted - 13/11/2019 :  01:53:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

quote:
Originally posted by KarenHansenSanders

I did find that one of Tolf And Anne Maries children was born in norway and died in Crookston. Minnesota.




Where did you get that piece of information?



From Ancestry.com
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/11/2019 :  05:37:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From an actual record or just a mention on a family tree database?
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