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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/12/2017 :  15:15:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If target Michael is still alive in 1900, here are some possibles:

1900 Michael Osmund b July 1845 udv 1869 married with young wife & children living in California
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9P2-HV4

Found in Cass county, Iowa 1880 census, single farmer, so eliminated.

1900 Michael Michaelson b July 1847 udv 1865 living with wife of 16 years in Oregon:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSDF-VSF

Died as Michael O Michaelson in Oregon in 1922 (wife Susie died 1915):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VZ4W-GCC

1900 Michael Mathison b July 1846 udv 1876 living with wife and granddaughter Ida in Minnesota:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M93Z-TPG

1900 Michael Thon b Aug 1847 udv 1870 married with young wife & children living In Minnesota:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9SN-NVL

Mikkel A Thon married at least twice first to Anne Tollefson in 1876 in Washington county, Minnesota and second to Nellie. He died in 1929, here is his entry in the FAG index at familysearch: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q23B-SHDR
Think

Edited by - jkmarler on 08/12/2017 11:03:57
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kristinemathiason
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Posted - 07/12/2017 :  16:38:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Access to these newspapers has been enlightening on many family stories. Some sad, but others a touch of history and a glimpse of their lives.
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The Humboldt County Library has 6 newspapers in their version of Newspaperarchive.com. To read the text it appears to be free. But the passwords are given so all might view.

http://humboldtpubliclibrary.com/humboldt-county-genealogical-society/


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kristinemathiason
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Posted - 07/12/2017 :  16:43:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll take a look at these to see if anything jumps out or feels right, although I have very little to go on. One relative "believes" he headed out west, but there is nothing to substantiate it. Allegedly he called his daughter Hanna Violet, who was living in CA, but she hung up almost immediately. It's a very thin story.

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Originally posted by jkmarler

If target Michael is still alive in 1900, here are some possibles:

1900 Michael Osmund b July 1845 udv 1869 married with young wife & children living in California
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9P2-HV4

1900 Michael Michaelson b July 1847 udv 1865 living with wife of 16 years in Oregon:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSDF-VSF

1900 Michael Mathison b July 1846 udv 1876 living with wife and granddaughter Ida in Minnesota:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M93Z-TPG

1900 Michael Thon b Aug 1847 udv 1870 married with young wife & children living In Minnesota:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9SN-NVL



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kristinemathiason
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Posted - 07/12/2017 :  16:57:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting. Did any of these women live in the Thor/Badger area back when he was still there to make it consistent with "he ran off with another woman?" I'll also try to look. It's doubtful he had his grandchild living with him, but maybe she was his wife's and I have seen the name 'Ingeborg" before. The case with the older adopted boys doesn't feel right. MN is a good option because it's close by. Interesting. The key may be where the women were previously living.
Thanks for digging up the leads
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Originally posted by kristinemathiason

I'll take a look at these to see if anything jumps out or feels right, although I have very little to go on. One relative "believes" he headed out west, but there is nothing to substantiate it. Allegedly he called his daughter Hanna Violet, who was living in CA, but she hung up almost immediately. It's a very thin story.

quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

If target Michael is still alive in 1900, here are some possibles:

1900 Michael Osmund b July 1845 udv 1869 married with young wife & children living in California
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9P2-HV4

1900 Michael Michaelson b July 1847 udv 1865 living with wife of 16 years in Oregon:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSDF-VSF

1900 Michael Mathison b July 1846 udv 1876 living with wife and granddaughter Ida in Minnesota:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M93Z-TPG

1900 Michael Thon b Aug 1847 udv 1870 married with young wife & children living In Minnesota:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9SN-NVL





Kristine Gupta
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/12/2017 :  17:56:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not sure if there is any where to go with this death for Hannah V Fontaine born in Iowa 1891 whose father's surname is Mathiason:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPX4-P7N

May be her as Viola Fontaine in 1920 census San Francisco:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MH4Q-ZBS

WWI draft registration card Rene Graham Fontaine, married with 2 year old child in San Francisco:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-L1SP-CB3?i=2678&cc=1968530

There is a couple in Iowa raising their family in which the husband is Chris Mathison/ Mathiason and the wife is Lena Sorenson (the combination of parent names of Hannah V Fontaine. ) However in the 1920 census Norway is given as the birthplace of each of Hannah V's parents and the Chris / Lena couple in Iowa were born in Denmark.

Rene and Hanna in 1940 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K98B-WVP

In the San Francisco Chronicle, 22 Sept 1914 a daughter born 6 Sept to Mrs. R. G. Fontaine in San Francisco.

San Francisco ChronicleThursday 21 Nov 1912 page 17 has Hannah V Mathisson age 24 879 Eddy street marrying Rene G. Fontaine age 23 of San Francisco.

Hannah V Fontaine in Findagrave:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/87853935/hannah-fontaine#view-photo=142783119

The daughter's name was Eleanor....

Here is Hannah Mathiason living in San Francisco, California in 1910, lodging with a Millie Mathiason 38 years, single seamstress b. Iowa also:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVGH-7BP

So Hanna Mathilda = Hanna Violet
Amelia = Millie

Edited by - jkmarler on 08/12/2017 02:56:44
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lyndal40
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Posted - 07/12/2017 :  23:47:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I felt it worthwhile to follow up on the person Mikael Monsbak Mathies who Jackie found leaving Trondheim in 1868. I noticed on his record the place name for his residence was given as Tranø, which is the parish in Troms fylke (county) also called Tranøy. In the emigrations records for 1868 I find a Mikal M Strand leaving Jan 23, 1868 for Nord Amerika. age 19 1/2.

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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/12/2017 :  23:51:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
YES! Great follow up Anton!
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kristinemathiason
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Posted - 08/12/2017 :  00:19:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You folks are the experts, but from what I've been learning this looks like a very good possibility, right?

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I felt it worthwhile to follow up on the person Mikael Monsbak Mathies who Jackie found leaving Trondheim in 1868. I noticed on his record the place name for his residence was given as Tranø, which is the parish in Troms fylke (county) also called Tranøy. In the emigrations records for 1868 I find a Mikal M Strand leaving Jan 23, 1868 for Nord Amerika. age 19 1/2.

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lyndal40
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Posted - 08/12/2017 :  00:31:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes the links between the birth, confirmation, various places he moved to and from and the names he used make it a little difficult to feel 100% certain that the Michael Magnus Mathiasen born July 15, 1846 in Nedre Stjørdal ,Nord-Trøndelag and the man who left for North America in 1868 from Tranøy, Troms known as Mikal M Strand are all the same Michael Mathiasen you are seeking, however it is probably as good as we are going to get.


Edited by - lyndal40 on 08/12/2017 16:51:43
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kristinemathiason
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Posted - 08/12/2017 :  01:42:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks to all of you who got me this far! You all must love solving riddles, b/c Michael Mathiason certainly is one..This will be a hard Christmas gift to beat : ) It's amazing to think of great-grand parents living north of the arctic circle and making the journey to Iowa.

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Originally posted by lyndal40

Yes the links between the birth, confirmation, various places he moved to and from and the names he used make it a little difficult to feel 100% certain that the Michael Magnus Mathiasen born July 15, 1846 in Nedre Stjørdal ,Nord-Trøndelag and who left for North America in 1868 from Tranøy, Troms known as Mikal M Strand is the Michael Mathiasen you are seeking, however it is probably as good as we are going to get.

He started out in Nedre Stjørdal moved to Frosta which is an adjacent parish. He also seems to have touched down in Fosnes also in Nord-Trøndelag and even ventured further north into Troms county in the parishes of Tranøy and maybe the adjacent parish of Dyrøy before leaving from Trondheim. Along the way he must have worked at several farms and picked up and used the various farm names at various times as part of his name. That is not unusual in Norway at all.


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lyndal40
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Posted - 08/12/2017 :  16:59:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well Kristine I think we need to reconsider who your Michael Matiason Strand really is in Norway. I know I did not think we could do better than the candidate from Nord-Trøndleag but I think we have found a candidate with an even better fit.

I think that the candidate that Jackie found a Mikael Monsbak Mathies leaving Trondheim in 1868 is the correct person and is your Michael Mathiason from Iowa. And I think he is the same person as the candidate I found leaving Tranøy, Troms in 1868 named Michael M Strand.

However I do not think that the person I found from Nedre Stjørdal, Nord-Trøndelag is this person

Here is a candidate from Ancestry.com that fits the Mikael Monsbak Mathies that Jackie found leaving Trondheim in 1868 best and who I think is your Michael Mathison from Iowa. And his records also explain the Strand name.

Michal Mansbag Matiasen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Michal Mansbag Matiasen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 29 mai 1848 (29 May 1848)
Baptism Date: 3 jun 1849
Baptism Place: Tranoy,Troms,Norway
Father: Mattias Andersen
Mother: Anna Larsdr
FHL Film Number: 127176

In the original record #17 he is called Michal Monsbak and his father is Mathias Andersen Strand. He is listed as being born out of wedlock and his mother is Anna Larsdatter of Soli.

#17

And his confirmation where he is listed as Mikal Monsbak Strand

#9

And your Mikal M Mattiassen in the 1865 Norwegian Census. Last person in the list

1865

Edited by - lyndal40 on 08/12/2017 17:47:38
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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/12/2017 :  18:22:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
An Anne Larsdatter widow 48, with one child son Erland Mattiason in Tranøy in 1865 census (not on a farm named Strand):
https://digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038392001519

Possibly Erland, a brother of Michael Monsbak Mathiason Strand:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NC7D-KJY

An elder sister to Michael and Erland b 1846 in Tranoy:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NC76-FRH

Edited by - jkmarler on 08/12/2017 18:25:22
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kristinemathiason
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Posted - 08/12/2017 :  20:04:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am amazed how all of you are so tenacious at arriving at the truth! Just when I think it is as settled as much as possible someone finds another person or another fact. My gratitude continues to go out to all of you! Thanks again, k

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Originally posted by jkmarler

An Anne Larsdatter widow 48, with one child son Erland Mattiason in Tranøy in 1865 census (not on a farm named Strand):
https://digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038392001519

Possibly Erland, a brother of Michael Monsbak Mathiason Strand:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NC7D-KJY

An elder sister to Michael and Erland b 1846 in Tranoy:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NC76-FRH


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kristinemathiason
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Posted - 08/12/2017 :  20:13:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, this is my great-aunt who told the story of Michael Mathiason calling her and how she quickly hung up. I don't know how that translated to others that he was in CA.

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Originally posted by jkmarler

Not sure if there is any where to go with this death for Hannah V Fontaine born in Iowa 1891 whose father's surname is Mathiason:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPX4-P7N

May be her as Viola Fontaine in 1920 census San Francisco:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MH4Q-ZBS

WWI draft registration card Rene Graham Fontaine, married with 2 year old child in San Francisco:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-L1SP-CB3?i=2678&cc=1968530

There is a couple in Iowa raising their family in which the husband is Chris Mathison/ Mathiason and the wife is Lena Sorenson (the combination of parent names of Hannah V Fontaine. ) However in the 1920 census Norway is given as the birthplace of each of Hannah V's parents and the Chris / Lena couple in Iowa were born in Denmark.

Rene and Hanna in 1940 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K98B-WVP

In the San Francisco Chronicle, 22 Sept 1914 a daughter born 6 Sept to Mrs. R. G. Fontaine in San Francisco.

San Francisco ChronicleThursday 21 Nov 1912 page 17 has Hannah V Mathisson age 24 879 Eddy street marrying Rene G. Fontaine age 23 of San Francisco.

Hannah V Fontaine in Findagrave:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/87853935/hannah-fontaine#view-photo=142783119

The daughter's name was Eleanor....

Here is Hannah Mathiason living in San Francisco, California in 1910, lodging with a Millie Mathiason 38 years, single seamstress b. Iowa also:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVGH-7BP

So Hanna Mathilda = Hanna Violet
Amelia = Millie



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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/12/2017 :  22:13:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by kristinemathiason

Yes, this is my great-aunt who told the story of Michael Mathiason calling her and how she quickly hung up. I don't know how that translated to others that he was in CA.




If you know a more definite date when Hanna was in California than 1910 that might help with understanding. So sometime after 1910 Michael Mathiason rustled up a phone number for his daughter in San Francisco, California.

Of course, there were long distance operators or information operators who could look up numbers back in the day but it would probably have meant that he would have had to know the city where she was.

And if he was in Iowa in or near Humboldt, there could have been any number of his children whom he could have contacted, without having to resort to the long-distance call procedures for the ones in California.

Perhaps he read her name in the paper or something and decided to track her down.

Hanna was among the youngest ones in the family. She and the other youngsters would have suffered the most grievous loss when their parents' marriage broke up and would probably have had the more emotional reaction to it.
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